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brendude13 on 28 December 2012

Sony ending this gen on a high note. If Sony keep it up, they'll be able to take back the marketshare they lost at the start of this gen.



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fighter on 28 December 2012

Strenghts

+ Xbox Live as a retention pool of hardcore players with a high willingness to pay

+ Brand Power has never been higher

+ Partnership Management with 3rd party developpers on both XBLA and retail segments

+ Cash flow and long term strategies

+ Efficient PR and Management people and decisions

Weaknesses

- Japan

Opportunities

+ Kinect 2.0

+ SmartGlass

+ Surface XBLA and Xbox Live features

Threats

- a second RRoD incident

- Living room Steam solution

- Over confidence



fighter on 28 December 2012
brendude13 said:
Sony ending this gen on a high note. If Sony keep it up, they'll be able to take back the marketshare they lost at the start of this gen.

1/ if Sony keeps what up ?

2/ when in previous generations has any such effect taken place ?



AgentZorn on 28 December 2012

Steambox.



fighter on 28 December 2012
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
iceland said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
iceland said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
iceland said:
Not Sony lol!

I'd say make sure that it focuses on games first multimedia 2nd.


Microsofts obstacle is Sony. They are sitting on half of the marketshare growth Sony created in the industry. They know that Sony wants it back....so that should a given.


Sure there is some competition but MS would do fine in te US regardless of what Sony does just like how it's vice versa in Japan. I think they can easily co-exist witout being a huge obstacle to each other imo 


You say this with the highest confidence when both consoles share 90% of their games in the same library. Microsoft figured out that was the way to cut Sonys marketshare. From that point on it comes down to exclusives, sometimes all it really comes down to is price and offerings. Sony will be losing Japanese support if they keep supporting the west in a one sided fashion. Microsoft makes games that are western centric, so they have no issue, but Sony does because the east will respond with their lack of dollars from feeling alienated by Sony.

I think Sony and MS would always have a big dedicated fanbase unless they REALLY mess up. Price is always important, charge too much and it will drive away consumers, Exclusives are important but they aren't as big of a deal like they used it be. I honestly think MS needs to make online multiplayer free for everyone. Sony/Nintendo/Steam all have free gaming services and they're only getting closer and closer to XBL gold. That's just my 2 cents, and for Sony catering to the western crowd sure they might not be happy about that but there will always be dozens of niche devs making jrpgs exclusive to playstation to supply their needs.

Seriously...do you believe if Sony had more hot JRPGs and Japanese centric games on the PS3 like previous generations the Japanese would've pushed Sony ahead of Microsoft WW? I do. More than half of Sonys Markeshare in Japan was cut because of their negligence. Its funny that no one ever talks about that on the forums either.

You make some great points, but I don't think it's just because Sony now focuses on the western market.  The western market is bigger so that is only logical for them to aim for the western market although MSFT has a pretty good grip on it.  But Japan seems to be catering towards handhelds now.  That is where i think the problem is with sony is they are focusing the Vita on the western market.  Just my opinion though.  I'm sure both consoles will do fine in the west next gen.  I don't know what will happen with the PS4 in the east though.  Im sure they will do fine but you are right that they need to start focusing on that market a little more.  Some people has pointed out that Japan is irrelevant and that may be the case for Xbox but it is a great luxury for sony.  It evens sony and msft out a little bit.

Sony was smart enough not to spend too much money on JRPGs 

JRPGs don t sell as much as before so JRPG developpers mainly focus on low cost development solutions such as Wii or iOS

It s not like Nintendo money hatted them to get into their platforms, it s just that it was safer to invest on low cost development than on HD costs that would hardly sell outside of Japan.

 

Sony brand is lagging in Japan as a whole, their entire strategy of quality, loyalty and japanese only production has been progressively lost since the 90's...



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Attoyou on 28 December 2012

What to do with all that Microsoft Money.



Atto Suggests...:

Book - Malazan Book of the Fallen series 

Game - Metro Last Light

TV - Deadwood

Music - Forest Swords 

brendude13 on 28 December 2012
fighter said:
brendude13 said:
Sony ending this gen on a high note. If Sony keep it up, they'll be able to take back the marketshare they lost at the start of this gen.

1/ if Sony keeps what up ?

2/ when in previous generations has any such effect taken place ?

1. High PS3 sales and a steady supply of exclusives.

2. What "effect"?



fighter on 28 December 2012
brendude13 said:
fighter said:
brendude13 said:
Sony ending this gen on a high note. If Sony keep it up, they'll be able to take back the marketshare they lost at the start of this gen.

1/ if Sony keeps what up ?

2/ when in previous generations has any such effect taken place ?

1. High PS3 sales and a steady supply of exclusives.

2. What "effect"?

Ending a gen on a last note being a threat to other manufacturers who made an earlier transition ?

 

By the way, i get your point about Playstation trying to please their core audience as much as possible before making the next leap, but still, it s not so much a high note as a stabilizer of a long term degradation.

And secondly the impact of it on XBOX 720 success is pretty much unexistent. And when you consider the other things coming into play (Steam, casual audience, tablet extensions, online features, etc.) it seems like Sony should be worrying about something else entirely.



brendude13 on 28 December 2012
fighter said:
brendude13 said:

1. High PS3 sales and a steady supply of exclusives.

2. What "effect"?

Ending a gen on a last note being a threat to other manufacturers who made an earlier transition ?

Not being a threat to manufacturers who made an earlier transition, just being a threat in general, regardless of when the consoles release. If the brand is stronger near the end of a generation, they're more likely to have a better start next generation.



walsufnir on 28 December 2012
MoHasanie said:
I think a big problem for Microsoft will be the damaged reputation from the RROD issue. People will be very skeptical, and might avoid purchasing a 720 in the first year. Even I will wait a year before purchasing one, just cause I want to be sure.


as skeptical as they are for a few years now when xbox360 was selling like cookies? yes, reaaaaaly biiiig issue ;)