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Birimbau on 26 December 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:

8Gb RAM is something natural for next gen, I don't know why people here are crying because of something like this, all Sony consoles, for example, had their memory increased by 16 times, with PS4 won't be different.

 

PS1 - 2MB

PS2 - 32MB(16x 2MB)

PS3 - 512MB (16x 32MB)

PS4 - 8Gb (16x 0.5 Gb)

Have you also noticed that Sony's consoles have been getting progressively more expensive to manufacture? The PS1 was sold for $300 and (probably) turned a profit, the PS2 was sold for $300 and rumoured to take a $100 loss, and the PS3 was sold for $600 and rumoured to have lost up to $300 per system at launch ...

8GB of high performance DDR3 memory is selling for $200 to $300 today, and 8GB of high performance GDDR5 memory would be more expensive than that. Certainly, you can get 8GB of low perfomance DDR3 memory for very little but pairing that up with a high performance CPU and GPU would be like creating a high performance car with a 3 speed transmission.


Don't you know that the cause of the loss was the blu-ray? each drive did cost $300-$350 for sony in 2006, if the BD would cost the current $50 or less back in 2006, SOny would have launched PS3 with losses. BD is not a big deal anymore, as I said, it costs less than $50 nowadays.


It is possible that without the additional cost of the Blu-Ray player Sony could have launched the PS3 for $600 and broke even, but the system was still $300 more expensive to end users because of the escalating manufacturing cost associated with running a processing power arms race.

Sony's systems have gotten larger, ran hotter, and had higher manufacturing costs with each generation to produce the kind of processing power increase you're expecting. If they try to do it again, even without a new disc format the PS4 will be selling for $600 while taking huge losses again; after all, it would have 8GB of GDDR5 memory, a GPU from a $500 graphics card that uses 200 Watts of energy, and a gigantic custom CPU that uses 200 watts and is insanely expensive because its chip yields ar so low.


PS3 in 2006:

Blu-Ray: $350

Cell: $230

RSX: $70

Memory(256 main + 256 vram): $50

Memory was the cheapest stuff of PS3 in 2006, stop crying right now, 8GB fast memory is possible today at reasonable cost.

 

The blu-ray was the main villain of PS3 in 2006, without it, PS3 would be cheaper and Sony wouldn't need to sell it under loss.



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hunter_alien on 26 December 2012
kljesta64 said:
consoles use different ram it not pc like


Dat technical analysis

 

OT: I dont care, as long as games look better, AI improoves, and we can finally have games that are not limited by current gen hardware, for at least a couple of years



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pr3st00 on 26 December 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:

8Gb RAM is something natural for next gen, I don't know why people here are crying because of something like this, all Sony consoles, for example, had their memory increased by 16 times, with PS4 won't be different.

 

PS1 - 2MB

PS2 - 32MB(16x 2MB)

PS3 - 512MB (16x 32MB)

PS4 - 8Gb (16x 0.5 Gb)

Have you also noticed that Sony's consoles have been getting progressively more expensive to manufacture? The PS1 was sold for $300 and (probably) turned a profit, the PS2 was sold for $300 and rumoured to take a $100 loss, and the PS3 was sold for $600 and rumoured to have lost up to $300 per system at launch ...

8GB of high performance DDR3 memory is selling for $200 to $300 today, and 8GB of high performance GDDR5 memory would be more expensive than that. Certainly, you can get 8GB of low perfomance DDR3 memory for very little but pairing that up with a high performance CPU and GPU would be like creating a high performance car with a 3 speed transmission.

Very good point...



HappySqurriel on 26 December 2012
Birimbau said:
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:

8Gb RAM is something natural for next gen, I don't know why people here are crying because of something like this, all Sony consoles, for example, had their memory increased by 16 times, with PS4 won't be different.

 

PS1 - 2MB

PS2 - 32MB(16x 2MB)

PS3 - 512MB (16x 32MB)

PS4 - 8Gb (16x 0.5 Gb)

Have you also noticed that Sony's consoles have been getting progressively more expensive to manufacture? The PS1 was sold for $300 and (probably) turned a profit, the PS2 was sold for $300 and rumoured to take a $100 loss, and the PS3 was sold for $600 and rumoured to have lost up to $300 per system at launch ...

8GB of high performance DDR3 memory is selling for $200 to $300 today, and 8GB of high performance GDDR5 memory would be more expensive than that. Certainly, you can get 8GB of low perfomance DDR3 memory for very little but pairing that up with a high performance CPU and GPU would be like creating a high performance car with a 3 speed transmission.


Don't you know that the cause of the loss was the blu-ray? each drive did cost $300-$350 for sony in 2006, if the BD would cost the current $50 or less back in 2006, SOny would have launched PS3 with losses. BD is not a big deal anymore, as I said, it costs less than $50 nowadays.


It is possible that without the additional cost of the Blu-Ray player Sony could have launched the PS3 for $600 and broke even, but the system was still $300 more expensive to end users because of the escalating manufacturing cost associated with running a processing power arms race.

Sony's systems have gotten larger, ran hotter, and had higher manufacturing costs with each generation to produce the kind of processing power increase you're expecting. If they try to do it again, even without a new disc format the PS4 will be selling for $600 while taking huge losses again; after all, it would have 8GB of GDDR5 memory, a GPU from a $500 graphics card that uses 200 Watts of energy, and a gigantic custom CPU that uses 200 watts and is insanely expensive because its chip yields ar so low.


PS3 in 2006:

Blu-Ray: $350

Cell: $230

RSX: $70

Memory(256 main + 256 vram): $50

Memory was the cheapest stuff of PS3 in 2006, stop crying right now, 8GB fast memory is possible today at reasonable cost.

 

The blu-ray was the main villain of PS3 in 2006, without it, PS3 would be cheaper and Sony wouldn't need to sell it under loss.


Do you have a source for your numbers?

Looking back at iSuppli's production cost estimate from 2006 we have the PS3 60GB having a manufacturing cost of $840, with the RSX costing $129, the Blu-Ray player at $125, and the Cell Processor at $89.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/isuppli-60gb-ps3-costs-840-produce/



Birimbau on 26 December 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:

8Gb RAM is something natural for next gen, I don't know why people here are crying because of something like this, all Sony consoles, for example, had their memory increased by 16 times, with PS4 won't be different.

 

PS1 - 2MB

PS2 - 32MB(16x 2MB)

PS3 - 512MB (16x 32MB)

PS4 - 8Gb (16x 0.5 Gb)

Have you also noticed that Sony's consoles have been getting progressively more expensive to manufacture? The PS1 was sold for $300 and (probably) turned a profit, the PS2 was sold for $300 and rumoured to take a $100 loss, and the PS3 was sold for $600 and rumoured to have lost up to $300 per system at launch ...

8GB of high performance DDR3 memory is selling for $200 to $300 today, and 8GB of high performance GDDR5 memory would be more expensive than that. Certainly, you can get 8GB of low perfomance DDR3 memory for very little but pairing that up with a high performance CPU and GPU would be like creating a high performance car with a 3 speed transmission.


Don't you know that the cause of the loss was the blu-ray? each drive did cost $300-$350 for sony in 2006, if the BD would cost the current $50 or less back in 2006, SOny would have launched PS3 with losses. BD is not a big deal anymore, as I said, it costs less than $50 nowadays.


It is possible that without the additional cost of the Blu-Ray player Sony could have launched the PS3 for $600 and broke even, but the system was still $300 more expensive to end users because of the escalating manufacturing cost associated with running a processing power arms race.

Sony's systems have gotten larger, ran hotter, and had higher manufacturing costs with each generation to produce the kind of processing power increase you're expecting. If they try to do it again, even without a new disc format the PS4 will be selling for $600 while taking huge losses again; after all, it would have 8GB of GDDR5 memory, a GPU from a $500 graphics card that uses 200 Watts of energy, and a gigantic custom CPU that uses 200 watts and is insanely expensive because its chip yields ar so low.


PS3 in 2006:

Blu-Ray: $350

Cell: $230

RSX: $70

Memory(256 main + 256 vram): $50

Memory was the cheapest stuff of PS3 in 2006, stop crying right now, 8GB fast memory is possible today at reasonable cost.

 

The blu-ray was the main villain of PS3 in 2006, without it, PS3 would be cheaper and Sony wouldn't need to sell it under loss.


Do you have a source for your numbers?

Looking back at iSuppli's production cost estimate from 2006 we have the PS3 60GB having a manufacturing cost of $840, with the RSX costing $129, the Blu-Ray player at $125, and the Cell Processor at $89.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/isuppli-60gb-ps3-costs-840-produce/

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-costs-900-sez-merrill-lynch-mob/



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HappySqurriel on 26 December 2012
Birimbau said:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/18/playstation-3-costs-900-sez-merrill-lynch-mob/


Honestly, I think I trust the iSupply numbers better ...

Non-trivial costs like the hard-drive, power-supply, and PS2 internals (that were included with the launch 60GB PS3) along with several other costs are not included in Merrill-Lynch's cost break-down and they seem to have Sony paying nearly MSRP prices for the Blu-Ray player and Cell processor even though they paid for the research & development and manufacture these components.



Scisca on 26 December 2012
GameAnalyser said:

I'm surprised by how developers are insisting on higher RAMs. Consoles are not designed to do multitasking like their PC counterparts, which makes 8 GB RAM's advantage least utilized on consoles. Instead a 4GB RAM(console's exclusive with higher bus frequency) would suffice more than enough for next gen gaming. Crytek better not be eulogizing higher memory requirements to utmost proportions, instead a little bit about what CPU/GPU next gen consoles use.

Guess they are insisting on RAM, cause it's the only important part that isn't set in stone by now. They already chose the CPU and GPU, but can easily increase the RAM. Remember how MS added 256 MB of RAM when they saw what Gears of War look like on X360 with 256 and 512 MB of RAM? Probable similar story here.



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kljesta64 on 26 December 2012
hunter_alien said:
kljesta64 said:
consoles use different ram it not pc like


Dat technical analysis

 

OT: I dont care, as long as games look better, AI improoves, and we can finally have games that are not limited by current gen hardware, for at least a couple of years


yea i know :D

 

well i have read it once somewhere lol



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Solid-Stark on 26 December 2012

Oh yeah? Well I still think the next Playstation won't have more than 4GB of RAM.



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hunter_alien on 26 December 2012
kljesta64 said:
hunter_alien said:
kljesta64 said:
consoles use different ram it not pc like


Dat technical analysis

 

OT: I dont care, as long as games look better, AI improoves, and we can finally have games that are not limited by current gen hardware, for at least a couple of years


yea i know :D

 

well i have read it once somewhere lol


Dont worry m8, thats pretty much where my tech knowledge stops to



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