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Should "Christ" be taken out of this time of Year?

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Zappykins on 25 December 2012

I say Happy Holiday's to everyone.

Jesus wasn't born in December anyway, the Christian's are just coveting other religions and people's holidays and festivals. The Yule Log, Xmas Trees, etc. are all traditions that have nothing to do with Christianity. It doesn't really bug me unless they act all wounded and talk about 'a war on Christmas.' Some of the bad ones are whiny bullies. Fortunately, those are mostly a small but vocal minority, and I can just avoid them.

In the States it really about spending money, getting together as a family and gifts. For me its mostly about family, as that's really the only time I get to see most of my siblings. It's fun, we like the lights, get together have good food and fun times together. And gifts!



 

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kain_kusanagi on 25 December 2012
fighter said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
djs said:
I say merry christmas, i don't say happy holidays.

Christmas is about the birth if Christ, not about shopping frenzy and holidays.
It's about forgiving and caring.


This. Christmas is always been called christmas. It depends on how you interpret it. But christmas was originally created to celebrate the birth of Jesus. No one in the world has a good enough reason to remove Christ from Christmas. 


christmas was a "re-branding" of a pagan holiday

That's a twisting of history. The truth is that the church moved Christmas and adopted a smidgen of the pagan holiday's traditions to subvert the pagan holiday to more easily convert the pagans. The church did not rebrand it, they replaced it.

A rebrand would be to take the original, change the name, and sell it as something else. But what Church really did was compete for the minds of the potential converts with an alternative holiday and make it as easy for them to accept as possible.

What we ended up with today is a Christmas with a little extra flavor. What your suggesting is we have a pagan holiday with a Christian title.


exactly what they did

I just explained it to you. The Church did NOT grab the pagan holiday and rename it Christmas. They moved Christmas from one date to another to cover up the old pagan holiday to help convert the pagans.



fighter on 25 December 2012
DaRev said:
fighter said:
haxxiy said:
Marks said:
Are you kidding? The whole point of Christmas is the birth of Christ...the reason we give gifts is because the wise men gave gifts to Christ.

That's like trying to take St. Patrick out of St. Patrick's Day or St. Valentine out of Valentine's Day....what's the fucking point?

Man I'm really tired of non-Christians trying to change Christian traditions in a Christian country. You don't hear about Christians going to Israel or Saudi Arabia and demand Jewish or Muslim traditions be changed...so why in America?

Saying happy holidays is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT...we don't need to now disrespect the hell out of Christmas by taking Christ's name out of it.

What, haven't you heard? Male white christians dominated the world for twenty centuries, opressed the hell out of everyone, Sauron style, and should pay for it now. Yeah, some people believe that despite China and India dominating world trade and culture all the way to the late 19th century, and women being held in way higher regard in the west throughout most of history. I blame good old ethnocentrism, only working in reverse this time...

and what about atheists, agnostics and laics ? they also celebrate xmas and it wasnt a christian holiday to begin with ?

why should we suffer the heritage of a christian culture against which western modernity fought against and which is opposed to the greek & roman empires heritage (which define western culture more than christianity or judaism) ?

long question made short :

christian believers are in the minority in western culture and they transformed a pagan celebration into a fake date of jesus birth

I think you have it a bit wrong, as Jesus was born and died, Christianity thus was born, Romans being conquerors of Israel at that time adopted Christianity and spread it through out the then known western world. Long story short pegans accepted chirstianity and made it part of their culture, not the other way around.

Whether people or cultures celebrate Christmas in December, April, or any other time of the year really doesn't matter IMO.

wasnt called Israel at the time but Palestine

Christianity was a widely spread middle eastern jreligion before having weight in Rome (and it was based on the jewish book

Christianity became different from Judaism when they started to convert non jewish to their beliefs becoming a proselytic religion

To Romans Christiantity was just another oriental religion a little more dangerous though since they refuse the pagan ceremonials so Neron tried to cleanse them out. It is only when they converted emperor Constantin that the became part of the official landscape (early 4th century).

Becoming influencial through the emperor they managed to get all other religions forbidden in Rome (end of the 4th century through Emperor Theodose)

 

So yeah, it s a middle eastern religion that hi jacked the western world for a millenium until in the renaissance we started re connecting with thr true western roots of greek philosophers and re started the western project of multi culturalism / science / hedonism / apology of sex and etc. etc.

 

all christianity brought to the west were intolerance and obscurantism

 

 



fighter on 25 December 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
djs said:
I say merry christmas, i don't say happy holidays.

Christmas is about the birth if Christ, not about shopping frenzy and holidays.
It's about forgiving and caring.


This. Christmas is always been called christmas. It depends on how you interpret it. But christmas was originally created to celebrate the birth of Jesus. No one in the world has a good enough reason to remove Christ from Christmas. 


christmas was a "re-branding" of a pagan holiday

That's a twisting of history. The truth is that the church moved Christmas and adopted a smidgen of the pagan holiday's traditions to subvert the pagan holiday to more easily convert the pagans. The church did not rebrand it, they replaced it.

A rebrand would be to take the original, change the name, and sell it as something else. But what Church really did was compete for the minds of the potential converts with an alternative holiday and make it as easy for them to accept as possible.

What we ended up with today is a Christmas with a little extra flavor. What your suggesting is we have a pagan holiday with a Christian title.


exactly what they did

I just explained it to you. The Church did NOT grab the pagan holiday and rename it Christmas. They moved Christmas from one date to another to cover up the old pagan holiday to help convert the pagans.

so they took the original pagan holiday, changed the nae to xmas, and sold it as the birth of jesus



kain_kusanagi on 25 December 2012
fighter said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
djs said:
I say merry christmas, i don't say happy holidays.

Christmas is about the birth if Christ, not about shopping frenzy and holidays.
It's about forgiving and caring.


This. Christmas is always been called christmas. It depends on how you interpret it. But christmas was originally created to celebrate the birth of Jesus. No one in the world has a good enough reason to remove Christ from Christmas. 


christmas was a "re-branding" of a pagan holiday

That's a twisting of history. The truth is that the church moved Christmas and adopted a smidgen of the pagan holiday's traditions to subvert the pagan holiday to more easily convert the pagans. The church did not rebrand it, they replaced it.

A rebrand would be to take the original, change the name, and sell it as something else. But what Church really did was compete for the minds of the potential converts with an alternative holiday and make it as easy for them to accept as possible.

What we ended up with today is a Christmas with a little extra flavor. What your suggesting is we have a pagan holiday with a Christian title.


exactly what they did

I just explained it to you. The Church did NOT grab the pagan holiday and rename it Christmas. They moved Christmas from one date to another to cover up the old pagan holiday to help convert the pagans.

so they took the original pagan holiday, changed the nae to xmas, and sold it as the birth of jesus


No.

The Church moved Christmas from January to Dec 25th to cover up the pegan holidays. In so doing many traditions were added by different cultures to Christmas.

The Church did NOT take the pagan holiday and change it. The Church overshadowed it with Christmas.

The Church did NOT sell the pagan holiday as the birth of Jesus. The Church let the pagans bring some traditions to Christmas in forgoing their old religion.

Look at it like this:

It would be like if McDonalds had a Big Mac Day on Oct 5th and gave away free Big Mac and fries. Meanwhile Burger King had a Whopper Day on Nov 6th and gave away free Whoppers and a Soda. Then one day Burger King decided to compete with McDonalds Big Mac Day and moved Whopper Day to Oct 5th and gave free fries along with the Whopper and Soda. Customers started going to Whopper Day instead of Big Mac Day. Eventual so few customers were showing up for Big Mac Day that McDonalds lost market share and went bankrupt.

In this analogy we see that Burger King did not take McDonald's Big Mac day, but instead convinced everyone to switch to the already established Whopper Day by overlapping it with Big Mac Day. There was no rebranding, only a small transfer of "traditions".



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fighter on 25 December 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fighter said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
djs said:
I say merry christmas, i don't say happy holidays.

Christmas is about the birth if Christ, not about shopping frenzy and holidays.
It's about forgiving and caring.


This. Christmas is always been called christmas. It depends on how you interpret it. But christmas was originally created to celebrate the birth of Jesus. No one in the world has a good enough reason to remove Christ from Christmas. 


christmas was a "re-branding" of a pagan holiday

That's a twisting of history. The truth is that the church moved Christmas and adopted a smidgen of the pagan holiday's traditions to subvert the pagan holiday to more easily convert the pagans. The church did not rebrand it, they replaced it.

A rebrand would be to take the original, change the name, and sell it as something else. But what Church really did was compete for the minds of the potential converts with an alternative holiday and make it as easy for them to accept as possible.

What we ended up with today is a Christmas with a little extra flavor. What your suggesting is we have a pagan holiday with a Christian title.


exactly what they did

I just explained it to you. The Church did NOT grab the pagan holiday and rename it Christmas. They moved Christmas from one date to another to cover up the old pagan holiday to help convert the pagans.

so they took the original pagan holiday, changed the nae to xmas, and sold it as the birth of jesus


No.

The Church moved Christmas from January to Dec 25th to cover up the pegan holidays. In so doing many traditions were added by different cultures to Christmas.

The Church did NOT take the pagan holiday and change it. The Church overshadowed it with Christmas.

The Church did NOT sell the pagan holiday as the birth of Jesus. The Church let the pagans bring some traditions to Christmas in forgoing their old religion.

Look at it like this:

It would be like if McDonalds had a Big Mac Day on Oct 5th and gave away free Big Mac and fries. Meanwhile Burger King had a Whopper Day on Nov 6th and gave away free Whoppers and a Soda. Then one day Burger King decided to compete with McDonalds Big Mac Day and moved Whopper Day to Oct 5th and gave free fries along with the Whopper and Soda. Customers started going to Whopper Day instead of Big Mac Day. Eventual so few customers were showing up for Big Mac Day that McDonalds lost market share and went bankrupt.

In this analogy we see that Burger King did not take McDonald's Big Mac day, but instead convinced everyone to switch to the already established Whopper Day by overlapping it with Big Mac Day. There was no rebranding, only a small transfer of "traditions".


err... Christians did not convince pagans to switch over = they forced them to celebrate the birth of jesus on their traditional winter festivities

 and it wasn't a day away "transfer" as it came from nowhere = pagans don t even recognize jesus as a prophet and christians didn t celebrtae christmas at all



Player1x3 on 25 December 2012
fighter said:
Player1x3 said:
fighter said:
Player1x3 said:
fighter said:
haxxiy said:
Marks said:
Are you kidding? The whole point of Christmas is the birth of Christ...the reason we give gifts is because the wise men gave gifts to Christ.

That's like trying to take St. Patrick out of St. Patrick's Day or St. Valentine out of Valentine's Day....what's the fucking point?

Man I'm really tired of non-Christians trying to change Christian traditions in a Christian country. You don't hear about Christians going to Israel or Saudi Arabia and demand Jewish or Muslim traditions be changed...so why in America?

Saying happy holidays is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT...we don't need to now disrespect the hell out of Christmas by taking Christ's name out of it.

What, haven't you heard? Male white christians dominated the world for twenty centuries, opressed the hell out of everyone, Sauron style, and should pay for it now. Yeah, some people believe that despite China and India dominating world trade and culture all the way to the late 19th century, and women being held in way higher regard in the west throughout most of history. I blame good old ethnocentrism, only working in reverse this time...

christian believers are in the minority in western culture and they transformed a pagan celebration into a fake date of jesus birth

No, actually, it's the non christians who are in minority in The West

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Portugal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Spain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_UK#Statistics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Italy

and the best for last

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_United_States

Try again. And these were ones using highly humanist and secular - irreligion biased sources (aka EU)


the stats you show consider most atheists and agnostics as christians

 

not the case sorry


Good argument



Player1x3 on 25 December 2012

Just to add something to the date discussion, 25th December isn't the universal date for celebrating christmas. In many other countries celebrate it on January the 7th, which was an original date for Christmas, before the Romans adopted Gregorian Calendar. As far as I know, there were no roman pagan holidays on that day



Gamegears on 25 December 2012

Merry Christmas.. I am sorry but Happy Holidays just does not sound right after all these years of seeing Christmas.. and honestly.. who the hell wants to buy just a Holiday Tree.. that is just stupid.. to much PC on Christmas.. God.. Gun Control.. at sometime you have to draw the line on the insanity..



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NightDragon83 on 25 December 2012

If you have a problem with the word Christ in Christmas, then you shouldn't be taking the day off from work or school. I've always found it funny that the anti-religious folks want to do away with any religious meaning or symbolism when it comes to holidays like Christmas and Easter, but they seem to have no problem when both public and private schools and workplaces close for the day and week in recognition of said holidays.



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