Should we take "Christ" out Christmas?

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djs said:
I say merry christmas, i don't say happy holidays.

Christmas is about the birth if Christ, not about shopping frenzy and holidays.
It's about forgiving and caring.

This. Christmas is always been called christmas. It depends on how you interpret it. But christmas was originally created to celebrate the birth of Jesus. No one in the world has a good enough reason to remove Christ from Christmas. 

christmas was a "re-branding" of a pagan holiday

That's a twisting of history. The truth is that the church moved Christmas and adopted a smidgen of the pagan holiday's traditions to subvert the pagan holiday to more easily convert the pagans. The church did not rebrand it, they replaced it.

A rebrand would be to take the original, change the name, and sell it as something else. But what Church really did was compete for the minds of the potential converts with an alternative holiday and make it as easy for them to accept as possible.

What we ended up with today is a Christmas with a little extra flavor. What your suggesting is we have a pagan holiday with a Christian title.

exactly what they did

I just explained it to you. The Church did NOT grab the pagan holiday and rename it Christmas. They moved Christmas from one date to another to cover up the old pagan holiday to help convert the pagans.

so they took the original pagan holiday, changed the nae to xmas, and sold it as the birth of jesus

No.

The Church moved Christmas from January to Dec 25th to cover up the pegan holidays. In so doing many traditions were added by different cultures to Christmas.

The Church did NOT take the pagan holiday and change it. The Church overshadowed it with Christmas.

The Church did NOT sell the pagan holiday as the birth of Jesus. The Church let the pagans bring some traditions to Christmas in forgoing their old religion.

Look at it like this:

It would be like if McDonalds had a Big Mac Day on Oct 5th and gave away free Big Mac and fries. Meanwhile Burger King had a Whopper Day on Nov 6th and gave away free Whoppers and a Soda. Then one day Burger King decided to compete with McDonalds Big Mac Day and moved Whopper Day to Oct 5th and gave free fries along with the Whopper and Soda. Customers started going to Whopper Day instead of Big Mac Day. Eventual so few customers were showing up for Big Mac Day that McDonalds lost market share and went bankrupt.

In this analogy we see that Burger King did not take McDonald's Big Mac day, but instead convinced everyone to switch to the already established Whopper Day by overlapping it with Big Mac Day. There was no rebranding, only a small transfer of "traditions".

err... Christians did not convince pagans to switch over = they forced them to celebrate the birth of jesus on their traditional winter festivities

 and it wasn't a day away "transfer" as it came from nowhere = pagans don t even recognize jesus as a prophet and christians didn t celebrtae christmas at all