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Mazty said:
I'm going to be complete honest here and no offense but just truth is intended with the following. I think the problem is that you're autistic and that you can't accept that when used correctly wiki can be a useful tool due to the symptom of restricted behaviour because no matter what reasoning I present to you, you don't actually logically refute it, you just repeat yourself like a stuck record. Such behaviour leaves me to think that you are limited in your scope for accepting new ideas to such a degree that it is actually a debilitation on your behalf. If you could shed some light on this idea that would be appreciated as I cannot see a need in furthering a point if a party has a literal inability to accept new viewpoints. 


I am not autistic, but thank you for the compliment. Wikipedia is good for a general idea (usually) but not for more complex ideas. And again, they can be edited. So even if Wiki cites a credible document, the text that allegedly came from said document would not necessarily match.



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GameOver22 said:
War & Ethics: A New Just War Theory by Nicolas Fotion. I don't have a pdf....its an actual book, but the citation is clearly on page 165....it actually cites two wikipedia pages for Chapters 7 and 8.

It surprised me too....that's why I remembered it. Funny thing is....its actually a good read on just war theory.


Okay, that's one example. I tried to check it out on Amazon, but it went from 163 to 167, coincidentally. You said texts. That implies more than one. Do you have others?



dsgrue3 said:
GameOver22 said:
War & Ethics: A New Just War Theory by Nicolas Fotion. I don't have a pdf....its an actual book, but the citation is clearly on page 165....it actually cites two wikipedia pages for Chapters 7 and 8.

It surprised me too....that's why I remembered it. Funny thing is....its actually a good read on just war theory.


Okay, that's one example. I tried to check it out on Amazon, but it went from 163 to 167, coincidentally. You said texts. That implies more than one. Do you have others?

No, typo on my part.



GameOver22 said:
dsgrue3 said:
GameOver22 said:
War & Ethics: A New Just War Theory by Nicolas Fotion. I don't have a pdf....its an actual book, but the citation is clearly on page 165....it actually cites two wikipedia pages for Chapters 7 and 8.

It surprised me too....that's why I remembered it. Funny thing is....its actually a good read on just war theory.


Okay, that's one example. I tried to check it out on Amazon, but it went from 163 to 167, coincidentally. You said texts. That implies more than one. Do you have others?

No, typo on my part.

Then it's anecdotal fallacy.



dsgrue3 said:
Mazty said:
I'm going to be complete honest here and no offense but just truth is intended with the following. I think the problem is that you're autistic and that you can't accept that when used correctly wiki can be a useful tool due to the symptom of restricted behaviour because no matter what reasoning I present to you, you don't actually logically refute it, you just repeat yourself like a stuck record. Such behaviour leaves me to think that you are limited in your scope for accepting new ideas to such a degree that it is actually a debilitation on your behalf. If you could shed some light on this idea that would be appreciated as I cannot see a need in furthering a point if a party has a literal inability to accept new viewpoints. 


I am not autistic, but thank you for the compliment. Wikipedia is good for a general idea (usually) but not for more complex ideas. And again, they can be edited. So even if Wiki cites a credible document, the text that allegedly came from said document would not necessarily match.

Autisim isn't a compliment....That really makes you sound handicapped in some social aspect...
The issue is how can you expect someone to bring another person who is ill-educated up to scratch on a topic? If you aren't even willing to read wiki and it's references, then what chance are you going to have of buying a text book or reading numerous 40 page papers front to back? 



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dsgrue3 said:
GameOver22 said:
dsgrue3 said:
GameOver22 said:
War & Ethics: A New Just War Theory by Nicolas Fotion. I don't have a pdf....its an actual book, but the citation is clearly on page 165....it actually cites two wikipedia pages for Chapters 7 and 8.

It surprised me too....that's why I remembered it. Funny thing is....its actually a good read on just war theory.


Okay, that's one example. I tried to check it out on Amazon, but it went from 163 to 167, coincidentally. You said texts. That implies more than one. Do you have others?

No, typo on my part.

Then it's anecdotal fallacy.

No it's evidence that work has used wikipedia in a reference ergo your claim that wikipedia cannot be referenced must be re-evaluated.

Also you apply this limitation, one that only applies to writing papers in some academic establishments, but no others. In otherwords, you're just being lazy and/or pedantic. 

What's the difference between reading wiki and me just dumping you all the references at the bottom of the page for you to read?



Mazty said:
dsgrue3 said:

Then it's anecdotal fallacy.

No it's evidence that work has used wikipedia in a reference ergo your claim that wikipedia cannot be referenced must be re-evaluated.

Also you apply this limitation, one that only applies to writing papers in some academic establishments, but no others. In otherwords, you're just being lazy and/or pedantic. 

What's the difference between reading wiki and me just dumping you all the references at the bottom of the page for you to read?

Autism and Genius have a strong correlation. Surprised you don't know this...well, in time.

It is anecdotal fallacy:

"Using a personal experience or an isolated example instead of a valid argument especially to dismiss statistics"

Can't read the OP?

1 Book out of millions doesn't show anything. lmfao.

The difference between wiki and you dumping several sources is, those sources aren't open for modification by anyone other than the author(s) of the source. It's really getting tedious to attempt to convey this difference to you. Perhaps we should address this after you graduate high school?



dsgrue3 said:
Mazty said:
dsgrue3 said:

Then it's anecdotal fallacy.

No it's evidence that work has used wikipedia in a reference ergo your claim that wikipedia cannot be referenced must be re-evaluated.

Also you apply this limitation, one that only applies to writing papers in some academic establishments, but no others. In otherwords, you're just being lazy and/or pedantic. 

What's the difference between reading wiki and me just dumping you all the references at the bottom of the page for you to read?

Autism and Genius have a strong correlation. Surprised you don't know this...well, in time.

It is anecdotal fallacy:

"Using a personal experience or an isolated example instead of a valid argument especially to dismiss statistics"

Can't read the OP?

1 Book out of millions doesn't show anything. lmfao.

The difference between wiki and you dumping several sources is, those sources aren't open for modification by anyone other than the author(s) of the source. It's really getting tedious to attempt to convey this difference to you. Perhaps we should address this after you graduate high school?

No they don't. Please tell me what is genuis about a 20 year old who has the mental age of a 2 year old? 

No statistics have been dismissed whereas your claim that wikipedia cannot be used has been shown to be false as it has been used. What we can therefore assertain is that in an instance it has been used, whereas you were providing the unsubstantiated claim that it can't be used. 

As you never provided any proof whatsoever, it is now up to you to prove your original claim as the opposite has been provided for us. 

Those souces come straight from wiki, therefore why couldn't you get them from the wiki page yourself?
 You are just being pedantic.  Do you have any sort of mental handicap as your pedantic argument defies all sense?

It's ironic that you resort to patronising comments in a thread about fallacies...



It would be nearly impossible to point of every fallacy committed just in vgc alone. That's why I usually ignore 90% of what users say on here. Most of the time it's strawman, questionable premise, ad hominem. One of my personally favorite on VGA is cherry picking(suppressed evidence).



theprof00 said:

  all species have popukations of gay individuals..
thats not a fallacy thats just how it is.

Black and White fallacy. Not all species have genders, or even reproduce sexually.