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dsgrue3 said:

The HIGHEST tool for the deaths in Crusades in around 3 million (source:wikipedia) and I used 1.5-2 million mark to be fair. I have no idea what kind of crap Dawkins made you believe.

And you should know this argument very well, because apparently, Middle Age Catholic church represents whole Christianity and every Christian person today...oh wait, double standards are atheist exclusive, right?

And LOL at '' entirely irrelevant''. Communism is a political belief that is agaisnt religion and promotes anti-theism (which is an extreme form of atheism). Are you going to convince me that people were able to follow their religion freely and worship whatever they want in any of those countries led by those people. Sure, they didnt kill people for being ahtiests, but they did for being theists. Thats like saying ''KKK didnt lynch people for being black, they lynched them for not being white !''

 

Crusades (1095-1291) 3,000,000 [make link]

Estimated totals:

Robertson, John M., A Short History of Christianity (1902) p.278: 9,000,000

Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000

Henry William Elson, Modern Times and the Living Past, (1921) p. 261: 5,000,000

Om Prakesh Jaggi, Religion, Practice and Science of Non-violence, (1974) p. 40: "The crusades cost Europe five million young men"

Fielding Hudson Garrison, Notes on the History of Military Medicine, Association of Military Surgeons, (1922) p. 106: 3,000,000 total, incl. 2,000,000 Europeans

MEDIAN: 3 million

Philip Alexander Prince, Parallel universal history, an outline of the history and biography of the world divided into ... (1838) p.207: "Although two million souls perished in the Crusades..."

Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]

Wertham: 1,000,000

John Shertzer Hittell, A Brief History of Culture (1874) p.137: "In the two centuries of this warfare one million persons had been slain..."

NOTE: No scholar has ever published a death toll of less than one million or more than nine million, so the order of magnitude is generally accepted even if the precise number is unknown.

 

This has nothing to do with Dawkins, no idea why you've even brought that up. 

 

 

 

com·mu·nism noun ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-

 

Definition of COMMUNISM

1

a : a theory advocating elimination of private property

b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

2

capitalized

a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production

c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably

Interesting how there isn't even a mention of religion in the definition of Communism. 
Another contrived argument...
The Crusades were entirely about religion. 
None of the touted "Atheist" leaders waged war as a result of their non-belief. Merely for power.
So yes, entirely irrelevant.

 

 

 


So basically...all atheist and anti christian sources right? Yup not biased at all

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

...damn look all those sources. Sorry, you're gonna have to try again.

And i love how you desperately (and pathetically) try to over simplify communism to make it appear harmless by trying to sum it up in one sentence. Its reaally sad. Well, first of, lets pretend that there arent multiple types of communism and that its not just a new age marxism. Communism (in general) and all its founders despised and completly rejected religion. Most communist states were atheist states (USSRS, China, Albania...) and they all compeltly rejected religion and presecuted its followers...or do you have any other reason why was religion so hated amongst all communist leaders and their countries??? Please, im dying to hear it

And dont tell me you're that naive and stupid to believe Crusades weren about power as well. Or are the good old double standards kicking in again? When atheist kills religios people, its just for power. When a ''christian'' person kills a non believer, its because of his evil religion, right?



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Player1x3 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
  • Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
  • Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
  • Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 15 million dead
  • Vladimir Lenin, Atheist: 5.5 million dead
  • Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
  • Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
  • Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead

          (all in time span of max 70 years)
Vs.

  • Catholic Inqusition: (time span: 500+ years) 20-30.000 dead
  • The Crusades :  (time span:200+ years) 1.5-2 million dead

Atheist dictators killed millions of people over the past century, and caused more death in a much shorter time span than almost any other catastrophe that has happened in the civilized world, and imprisoned  or murdered hundreds of thousands in an effort to eradicate religion itself, because, you know, mass murder is the inevitable result when a community becomes too intolerant of outlandish dogmas and too fond of critical thinking. Oh the irony!


Hitler was not an atheist. 

 

"Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf, "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.

Crusades estimates are quite poor, it varies between 1 and 9 million. You are on the low end. 

Your argument is a poor one, comparing the acts of a few to anyone sharing their views.

EDIT: The religious wars are based upon religion, the wars from those leaders you presented do not stem from atheism. It's entirely irrelevant. HUGE difference.

 


Everyone who was close to Hitler said that he was an atheist. In the public he presented himself as a christian to turn th people agaisnt the Jews. Example from his own book:

To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.


All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7) 

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43) 

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

...and theres waay more where this came from. Just tell me if you want more quotes and the links

Hitler had the biggest respect for muslim and tradition japanese religions. He also said that it is unfortunate, that the german religion is the Christian one.

The HIGHEST tool for the deaths in Crusades in around 3 million (source:wikipedia) and I used 1.5-2 million mark to be fair. I have no idea what kind of crap Dawkins made you believe.

And you should know this argument very well, because apparently, Middle Age Catholic church represents whole Christianity and every Christian person today...oh wait, double standards are atheist exclusive, right?

And LOL at '' entirely irrelevant''. Communism is a political belief that is agaisnt religion and promotes anti-theism (which is an extreme form of atheism). Are you going to convince me that people were able to follow their religion freely and worship whatever they want in any of those countries led by those people. Sure, they didnt kill people for being ahtiests, but they did for being theists. Thats like saying ''KKK didnt lynch people for being black, they lynched them for not being white !''

Hitler was an insane and evil person with a twisted morale system. He is not representative of the athiest community as 99.99999% of athiest today would say his actions were detestable and wrong. Ask muslims is they think its ok to kill or threaten to kill Salman Rushdie and you will get (in the UK) about 50% yes 50% no. My problem is with people who do detestable things in the name of religion or support detestable things in the name of religion as well as playing off things told in the bible as facts to their children without teaching them critical thinking skills.

Plus there is a good reason why the likes of Hitler and Stalin oppossed religion and promoted athiesm. It's because there systems of dictatorship demand the same type of unquestioning support that the systems imposed by religion do. Religion has more in common with these tyrants that todays athiest do and they therefore make a poor argument for proving the evils of athiesm.

Im sure you're an intelligent person and i believe that if you really look at all the evidence provided by science you will come to the conclusion that all current religions can be disproved and that the existence of god cannot be confirmed so you might as well go on with your life and wait till the end for answers on the afterlife.

Couple of points that convinced me to abandon thiesm (can't do them all) was the fact that

99.8% of all animals are extinct (and most of them were not us)

The grotto salamander that has eyes that retact into its head while growing leaving the creature blind. This creature, adapting to the cave environment for millions of years is midway in the evolutionary process where its eyes are no longer a weakness in a total darkness environment but the creature still has them just like we skill have appendix despite having no need of them for thousands of years.

PS: Yes the crusades killed between 1.5-2 million people. This is quite simply due to the combination of lower population levels and military technology available at the time. Trecking accross the middle east and storming castles was a slow and costle buisness back then lets not forget.



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Allfreedom99 said:
Atheists and Theists will be battling each other for the rest of time. Many say, "through scientific study we will some day be able to discover whether there is an existence or lack of existence of a 'Creator God'. It will tell us who is correct and who is incorrect."

The problem with this, however is that Science cannot prove what is in the supernatural realm. Science can only study within the laws of the universe from which it uses as its boundaries. Science is used to determine what can be known through its uses of measurements, calculations, Physics, observation, laws of nature, ect. Science can only operate in laws of consistency. If the laws of the universe were ever changing then Science could not operate properly. Knowledge itself would be unreliable.

If a 'Creator God' does indeed exist then that being would most certainly have supernatural powers if He was able to create matter, the universe, laws of physics and nature, gravity, ect. If the 'Creator God' did not create the laws of the universe, matter, laws of physics and nature, ect. then that would mean those laws would have been set in place before His existence. In other words the 'Creator God' would have come into existence as a result of those laws in place. The laws of physics and the universe establish a set of guidelines and order. without them knowledge and reason cannot exist.

How can there be order or a set of laws and guidelines without a form of intelligent intervention to create those laws and guidelines? If there is no intelligent intervention to determine those laws then within the bounds of Science it defies logic. Matter exists today. we know that through observation. so then it is an unanswerable question to ask, "how did the environment and laws of physics (the foundation and makeup if you will) for matter to form exist without some kind of intelligent influence to establish those laws?" The ability to have heat, friction, the foundation of physics, the original makeup to develop more and more complex entities through time...how did those forms of order and laws of the universe ever become realities without intelligent intervention? One cannot simply answer those questions without simply saying that those products always existed for infinity of time and were never instituted. But to give that answer is to defy logic and reason, is it not?

Some atheists say, "well you cannot simply explain away our existence through an even further complex being that created everything." , because then logic would dictate that you would have an infinity amount of creators in order to have the existence of a complex being that created the universe. But it even further defies logic to say that we have the laws of the universe, the foundation and environment for physics, knowledge, matter, ect to exist without an intelligent influence to form those guidelines of order and laws.

Either the laws and makeup for the universe have existed for infinity of time without any intelligent influence to establish those laws (which defies reason and logic), or a supernatural omnipotent being who has existed for infinity time who cannot simply be fully comprehended or understood by our minds established those laws that made it possible for our universe to exist with complex entities. We know what we can observe. We can observe that we have a product, a universe, complex life forms, laws of nature. We see results of something. The results of something with the intelligence to establish their ability to exist. Through observation one can know the existence of an intelligent creator.

What? Why does it defy logic to say some basic physical laws existed all the time?



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kanageddaamen said:
JoeTheBro said:
I'm fine with most atheists even if it's a super heated debate.

What pisses me off is when an atheist thinks science=atheism. Um hello, I'm a science guy yet I'm not an atheist. Also I find pastafarianism annoying. It's funny to use it as a joke but using it as an argument against religion just shows how little you know. The video I can laugh at because there are tons of blind and ignorant Jesus freaks just asking for trouble when talking to atheists.


If you applied the scientific method, you would have abandoned the hypothesis "a judeo-christian god exists" a long time ago


Oh thank you for perfectly fitting in to the science=atheism category.



SlayerRondo said:
Player1x3 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
  • Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
  • Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
  • Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 15 million dead
  • Vladimir Lenin, Atheist: 5.5 million dead
  • Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
  • Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
  • Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead

          (all in time span of max 70 years)
Vs.

  • Catholic Inqusition: (time span: 500+ years) 20-30.000 dead
  • The Crusades :  (time span:200+ years) 1.5-2 million dead

Atheist dictators killed millions of people over the past century, and caused more death in a much shorter time span than almost any other catastrophe that has happened in the civilized world, and imprisoned  or murdered hundreds of thousands in an effort to eradicate religion itself, because, you know, mass murder is the inevitable result when a community becomes too intolerant of outlandish dogmas and too fond of critical thinking. Oh the irony!


Hitler was not an atheist. 

 

"Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf, "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.

Crusades estimates are quite poor, it varies between 1 and 9 million. You are on the low end. 

Your argument is a poor one, comparing the acts of a few to anyone sharing their views.

EDIT: The religious wars are based upon religion, the wars from those leaders you presented do not stem from atheism. It's entirely irrelevant. HUGE difference.

 


Everyone who was close to Hitler said that he was an atheist. In the public he presented himself as a christian to turn th people agaisnt the Jews. Example from his own book:

To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.


All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7) 

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43) 

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

...and theres waay more where this came from. Just tell me if you want more quotes and the links

Hitler had the biggest respect for muslim and tradition japanese religions. He also said that it is unfortunate, that the german religion is the Christian one.

The HIGHEST tool for the deaths in Crusades in around 3 million (source:wikipedia) and I used 1.5-2 million mark to be fair. I have no idea what kind of crap Dawkins made you believe.

And you should know this argument very well, because apparently, Middle Age Catholic church represents whole Christianity and every Christian person today...oh wait, double standards are atheist exclusive, right?

And LOL at '' entirely irrelevant''. Communism is a political belief that is agaisnt religion and promotes anti-theism (which is an extreme form of atheism). Are you going to convince me that people were able to follow their religion freely and worship whatever they want in any of those countries led by those people. Sure, they didnt kill people for being ahtiests, but they did for being theists. Thats like saying ''KKK didnt lynch people for being black, they lynched them for not being white !''

Hitler was an insane and evil person with a twisted morale system. He is not representative of the athiest community as 99.99999% of athiest today would say his actions were detestable and wrong. Ask muslims is they think its ok to kill or threaten to kill Salman Rushdie and you will get (in the UK) about 50% yes 50% no. My problem is with people who do detestable things in the name of religion or support detestable things in the name of religion as well as playing off things told in the bible as facts to their children without teaching them critical thinking skills.

Wow, you people are seriosuly desperate. At least try to cover your bias and hypocracy. Do you think todays christians support what Catholic Church did in Middle Ages? And do you really beleive 50% of muslims support Al Quaide? Of course they dont. But this ''He is not representative of the xxx community'' only comes up when its the atheists who come up in bad light. WHy dont you ever stop for a second and apply the same logical thinking when it comes to religios people as well? Oh right, the hypocrisy.

Plus there is a good reason why the likes of Hitler and Stalin oppossed religion and promoted athiesm. It's because there systems of dictatorship demand the same type of unquestioning support that the systems imposed by religion do. Religion has more in common with these tyrants that todays athiest do and they therefore make a poor argument for proving the evils of athiesm.

I wasnt trying to prove evils of atheism. Unlike you and your kind (in this thread), I dont judge the whole group of people based on few individuals and i judge their belief system on itself, not on thier most extreme and fundamentalist followers. I was just showing that the killing s argument can be applied to both christian and atheist authority trough history.

Im sure you're an intelligent person and i believe that if you really look at all the evidence provided by science you will come to the conclusion that all current religions can be disproved and that the existence of god cannot be confirmed so you might as well go on with your life and wait till the end for answers on the afterlife.

There is 0 evidence ofor non existence of God , and this is highly off topic, so i wont bother to discuss this. And my view on God is much different than the mainstream christian theist is,

Couple of points that convinced me to abandon thiesm (can't do them all) was the fact that

99.8% of all animals are extinct (and most of them were not us)

The grotto salamander that has eyes that retact into its head while growing leaving the creature blind. This creature, adapting to the cave environment for millions of years is midway in the evolutionary process where its eyes are no longer a weakness in a total darkness environment but the creature still has them just like we skill have appendix despite having no need of them for thousands of years.

Uh...ok.

PS: Yes the crusades killed between 1.5-2 million people. This is quite simply due to the combination of lower population levels and military technology available at the time. Trecking accross the middle east and storming castles was a slow and costle buisness back then lets not forget.

And dont forget the mentality of people in 11th and 12th century was much less civilised then the one in 20th century...





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Player1x3 said:


So basically...all atheist and anti christian sources right? Yup not biased at all

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

...damn look all those sources. Sorry, you're gonna have to try again.

And i love how you desperately (and pathetically) try to over simplify communism to make it appear harmless by trying to sum it up in one sentence. Its reaally sad. Well, first of, lets pretend that there arent multiple types of communism and that its not just a new age marxism. Communism (in general) and all its founders despised and completly rejected religion. Most communist states were atheist states (USSRS, China, Albania...) and they all compeltly rejected religion and presecuted its followers...or do you have any other reason why was religion so hated amongst all communist leaders and their countries??? Please, im dying to hear it

And dont tell me you're that naive and stupid to believe Crusades weren about power as well. Or are the good old double standards kicking in again? When atheist kills religios people, its just for power. When a ''christian'' person kills a non believer, its because of his evil religion, right?

I didn't cherry pick sources, I cited every single one listed on that website?

The absence of religion isn't the religion of absence. You cannot state that because a country (or leader) isn't religious that none of its citizens are. Plenty of Communists are religious. Your argument, again, is unfounded in logic or reason but based purely upon your own suppositions.

Crusades primary interest was about religion, not power. Power was secondary. Power was prime in the case of the leaders you mentioned, and not atheism.

Again, completely different. Just acknowledge this fact so we can move on. Every single person in this thread has told you that your comparison is flawed. Own it.



Dr.Grass said:

JoeTheBro said:


I'm a science guy


What does that mean?


I'm related to Bill Nye, and I also love science. Heck I built my first Tesla Coil in 8th grade.



KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
beatles1082 said:
Dr.Grass said:
beatles1082 said:


This is the STUPIDEST. Argument in existence. My blood boils when I hear atheists spewing this utter crap. You're just jumping on the exact same bandwagon you're supposedly decrying.


You're just too stupid to see it.

 there's no need to feel threatened by an atheist.   There are still 7 countries where the state can excecute citizens for being an atheist.

  • Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
  • Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
  • Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 15 million dead
  • Vladimir Lenin, Atheist: 5.5 million dead
  • Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
  • Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
  • Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead

          (all in time span of max 70 years)
Vs.

  • Catholic Inqusition: (time span: 500+ years) 20-30.000 dead
  • The Crusades :  (time span:200+ years) 1.5-2 million dead

Atheist dictators killed millions of people over the past century, and caused more death in a much shorter time span than almost any other catastrophe that has happened in the civilized world, and imprisoned  or murdered hundreds of thousands in an effort to eradicate religion itself, because, you know, mass murder is the inevitable result when a community becomes too intolerant of outlandish dogmas and too fond of critical thinking. Oh the irony!

Because it was totally their atheism and not their extreme ideologies that were the cause of those genocides. Besides, Hitler was a catholic and so was Mussolini.


Their extreme ideologies supported anti-theism which is an extreme point of atheism...And I provided enough evidence to clarify that Hitler was far from a Christian, let alone catholic



Pemalite said:
SlayerRondo said:

Religion on the other hand gives people instructions of what to believe and what to do that cannot be questioned as they are the divine word of the lord and to do so would be blasphemy. Sure there are thoose who do not believe everything there bible says but to them I say if you think part of it is wrong why dont you believe all of it could be wrong? 


In that case, we better start putting everyone to death. As wearing clothes of mixed fabrics isn't allowed. (Bible says this, not me.)

Fact of the matter is, the Bible was never natively written in English it was translated over to English and some thing just never translate well

Secondly, it was written in another time for another time when the world and it's people was far more hostile.

And to add to that historically speaking religion was a way to try to explain things that we as humans simply did not understand, take for example Thor, God of thunder to explain the reason why we had Thunder and Lightning.
Or the Egyption God, Ra to explain the sun or Yum Caax to explain Nature... The list goes on, it doesn't make the current God-Of-The-Day any more credible than prior ones, just that science hasn't evolved enough to disprove it.

I just can't get over the fact that people believe that god and jesus appeared and performed miracles alot alot around 2000 years ago and beyond in a time for which historical records are poor yet nowdays where at best 1.2 billion people believe in the right religion out of 7 billion yet god doesnt seem to care enough to give us a clear sign today that he exist and what he believe's we should do. Look at mormonism a recently made up religion (comparitively) which we can poke loads of holes in it because it was recent and the records for the time and place were good. 

A person's religion is overwhelmingly a coincidence of birth and not a choice given that most people would never believe such nonsense if they were not brought up believing in it from birth, basically indoctrination. 

Sadly rather than terring each other apart by ripping into each others flaws and contradictions they seem to have decided that it's in their best interest to respect each others nonsensical beliefs despite none of them deserving it.

PS: I know that mormonism is a big religion with many followers despite the obvious facts about the religion that they are faced with, and that depresses me to no end.



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JoeTheBro said:
kanageddaamen said:
JoeTheBro said:
I'm fine with most atheists even if it's a super heated debate.

What pisses me off is when an atheist thinks science=atheism. Um hello, I'm a science guy yet I'm not an atheist. Also I find pastafarianism annoying. It's funny to use it as a joke but using it as an argument against religion just shows how little you know. The video I can laugh at because there are tons of blind and ignorant Jesus freaks just asking for trouble when talking to atheists.


If you applied the scientific method, you would have abandoned the hypothesis "a judeo-christian god exists" a long time ago


Oh thank you for perfectly fitting in to the science=atheism category.


My point is, if you were a "science guy" would have applied your adherence to the scientific method to the belief in god, and drawn the conclusion that it is a false hypothesis.

Naturally science ISN'T atheism (science is the persuit of truth via observation and analysis, atheism is the lack of a belief in a higher power) but 1.) Science dictates claiming nothing to be true without repeatable evidence that it is so (which nullifies any and all "beliefs."  If you are a "science guy" you either have evidence that something is true, or you do not, there is no room for "belief") and 2.) Any intellectually honest, scientific analysis of the question of a supreme being will yield an atheistic result



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