How to Destroy an Athiests in a argument! (Updated with poll)

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dsgrue3 said:

The HIGHEST tool for the deaths in Crusades in around 3 million (source:wikipedia) and I used 1.5-2 million mark to be fair. I have no idea what kind of crap Dawkins made you believe.

And you should know this argument very well, because apparently, Middle Age Catholic church represents whole Christianity and every Christian person today...oh wait, double standards are atheist exclusive, right?

And LOL at '' entirely irrelevant''. Communism is a political belief that is agaisnt religion and promotes anti-theism (which is an extreme form of atheism). Are you going to convince me that people were able to follow their religion freely and worship whatever they want in any of those countries led by those people. Sure, they didnt kill people for being ahtiests, but they did for being theists. Thats like saying ''KKK didnt lynch people for being black, they lynched them for not being white !''

 

Crusades (1095-1291) 3,000,000 [make link]

Estimated totals:

Robertson, John M., A Short History of Christianity (1902) p.278: 9,000,000

Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000

Henry William Elson, Modern Times and the Living Past, (1921) p. 261: 5,000,000

Om Prakesh Jaggi, Religion, Practice and Science of Non-violence, (1974) p. 40: "The crusades cost Europe five million young men"

Fielding Hudson Garrison, Notes on the History of Military Medicine, Association of Military Surgeons, (1922) p. 106: 3,000,000 total, incl. 2,000,000 Europeans

MEDIAN: 3 million

Philip Alexander Prince, Parallel universal history, an outline of the history and biography of the world divided into ... (1838) p.207: "Although two million souls perished in the Crusades..."

Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]

Wertham: 1,000,000

John Shertzer Hittell, A Brief History of Culture (1874) p.137: "In the two centuries of this warfare one million persons had been slain..."

NOTE: No scholar has ever published a death toll of less than one million or more than nine million, so the order of magnitude is generally accepted even if the precise number is unknown.

 

This has nothing to do with Dawkins, no idea why you've even brought that up. 

 

 

 

com·mu·nism noun ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-

 

Definition of COMMUNISM

1

a : a theory advocating elimination of private property

b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

2

capitalized

a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production

c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably

Interesting how there isn't even a mention of religion in the definition of Communism. 

Another contrived argument...

The Crusades were entirely about religion. 

None of the touted "Atheist" leaders waged war as a result of their non-belief. Merely for power.

So yes, entirely irrelevant.

 

 

 

So basically...all atheist and anti christian sources right? Yup not biased at all

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

...damn look all those sources. Sorry, you're gonna have to try again.

And i love how you desperately (and pathetically) try to over simplify communism to make it appear harmless by trying to sum it up in one sentence. Its reaally sad. Well, first of, lets pretend that there arent multiple types of communism and that its not just a new age marxism. Communism (in general) and all its founders despised and completly rejected religion. Most communist states were atheist states (USSRS, China, Albania...) and they all compeltly rejected religion and presecuted its followers...or do you have any other reason why was religion so hated amongst all communist leaders and their countries??? Please, im dying to hear it

And dont tell me you're that naive and stupid to believe Crusades weren about power as well. Or are the good old double standards kicking in again? When atheist kills religios people, its just for power. When a ''christian'' person kills a non believer, its because of his evil religion, right?