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thismeintiel on 13 December 2012
killer7 said:

Yes people are buying PS2´s, of course! But these is just the final stock! Not every of these 154 million units is sold to date! Sony just announces shipped units! Do you think i invented these numbers?

So you want us to believe that after Xmas 2011 and the entire 2012 year, the PS2 will only have shipped 400K units?  Lol.  I believe it was just last quarter most agreed that it shipped over 1 million units out of the PS2 + PS3 numbers given.  Again, the DS hasn't even passed the sales of the PS2 from over a year ago.  Try harder next time.



 

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S.Peelman on 13 December 2012

So, just putting my two cents in here. Figured, why the hell not? Basically, I think the same as Metallicube does:

I agree with the sentiment put forth by the Playstation people that the PS2 is still the highest selling console of all time and VGC's numbers are incorrect. This goes both ways though, PS1's 104 number should be adjusted down by 2m, I guess PS2's missing 2m have camped out at the PS1's.

I also agree with the argument of the Nintendo people that it's extremely unlikely that the PS2 is outselling the DS, and that it is even more unlikely that PS2 has sold >160m.

I agree with the 156m figure for the PS2 is the most likely figure for the system. With DS now at 153.7 and above VGC's 153.6 figure for PS2, which was in fact from november last year, it puts it at about 2m behind the PS2.

Any XBox people have anything to add?


I believe the recent rumors of the PS2's discontinuation could have some truth in them. It's likely, twelve years after being released, that it's entering (or has already entered) it's final shipment's production. Twelve years, just like the PS1 was discontinued after twelve years. Also, Sony will need the resources soon to be put to use for the PS4 instead.
I believe the DS will win this eventually, as I think the PS2 will be discontinued first (and soon) and the DS will stick around for 2-3 years.



zuvuyeay on 13 December 2012
S.Peelman said:

So, just putting my two cents in here. Figured, why the hell not? Basically, I think the same as Metallicube does:

I agree with the sentiment put forth by the Playstation people that the PS2 is still the highest selling console of all time and VGC's numbers are incorrect. This goes both ways though, PS1's 104 number should be adjusted down by 2m, I guess PS2's missing 2m have camped out at the PS1's.

I also agree with the argument of the Nintendo people that it's extremely unlikely that the PS2 is outselling the DS, and that it is even more unlikely that PS2 has sold >160m.

I agree with the 156m figure for the PS2 is the most likely figure for the system. With DS now at 153.7 and above VGC's 153.6 figure for PS2, which was in fact from november last year, it puts it at about 2m behind the PS2.

Any XBox people have anything to add?


I believe the recent rumors of the PS2's discontinuation could have some truth in them. It's likely, twelve years after being released, that it's entering (or has already entered) it's final shipment's production. Twelve years, just like the PS1 was discontinued after twelve years. Also, Sony will need the resources soon to be put to use for the PS4 instead.
I believe the DS will win this eventually, as I think the PS2 will be discontinued first (and soon) and the DS will stick around for 2-3 years.

yep,surely the PS2 is going to be shut down,can't see why they would still make them now or going into 2013,no stopping the DS it has had a good last quarter this year really picked up,good work form nintendo



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thismeintiel on 13 December 2012
zuvuyeay said:
S.Peelman said:

So, just putting my two cents in here. Figured, why the hell not? Basically, I think the same as Metallicube does:

I agree with the sentiment put forth by the Playstation people that the PS2 is still the highest selling console of all time and VGC's numbers are incorrect. This goes both ways though, PS1's 104 number should be adjusted down by 2m, I guess PS2's missing 2m have camped out at the PS1's.

I also agree with the argument of the Nintendo people that it's extremely unlikely that the PS2 is outselling the DS, and that it is even more unlikely that PS2 has sold >160m.

I agree with the 156m figure for the PS2 is the most likely figure for the system. With DS now at 153.7 and above VGC's 153.6 figure for PS2, which was in fact from november last year, it puts it at about 2m behind the PS2.

Any XBox people have anything to add?


I believe the recent rumors of the PS2's discontinuation could have some truth in them. It's likely, twelve years after being released, that it's entering (or has already entered) it's final shipment's production. Twelve years, just like the PS1 was discontinued after twelve years. Also, Sony will need the resources soon to be put to use for the PS4 instead.
I believe the DS will win this eventually, as I think the PS2 will be discontinued first (and soon) and the DS will stick around for 2-3 years.

yep,surely the PS2 is going to be shut down,can't see why they would still make them now or going into 2013,no stopping the DS it has had a good last quarter this year really picked up,good work form nintendo

I doubt that Nintendo is going to keep the DS going for another 2 years.  Most likely next year will be the final fiscal year of Nintendo supporting the device.  It may also be the same year that Sony discontinues the PS2.  So, I don't see the DS ever making it past the PS2.



 

S.Peelman on 13 December 2012
zuvuyeay said:
S.Peelman said:

So, just putting my two cents in here. Figured, why the hell not? Basically, I think the same as Metallicube does:

I agree with the sentiment put forth by the Playstation people that the PS2 is still the highest selling console of all time and VGC's numbers are incorrect. This goes both ways though, PS1's 104 number should be adjusted down by 2m, I guess PS2's missing 2m have camped out at the PS1's.

I also agree with the argument of the Nintendo people that it's extremely unlikely that the PS2 is outselling the DS, and that it is even more unlikely that PS2 has sold >160m.

I agree with the 156m figure for the PS2 is the most likely figure for the system. With DS now at 153.7 and above VGC's 153.6 figure for PS2, which was in fact from november last year, it puts it at about 2m behind the PS2.

Any XBox people have anything to add?


I believe the recent rumors of the PS2's discontinuation could have some truth in them. It's likely, twelve years after being released, that it's entering (or has already entered) it's final shipment's production. Twelve years, just like the PS1 was discontinued after twelve years. Also, Sony will need the resources soon to be put to use for the PS4 instead.
I believe the DS will win this eventually, as I think the PS2 will be discontinued first (and soon) and the DS will stick around for 2-3 years.

yep,surely the PS2 is going to be shut down,can't see why they would still make them now or going into 2013,no stopping the DS it has had a good last quarter this year really picked up,good work form nintendo

I don't get what you're trying to say (no offence, but a little more effort in syntax and punctuation would've helped).

Why would the PS2 continue to live on for another couple of years and the DS be killed in 2013? DS is four years younger and selling decently for a console with a successor out. There is no logic in this.

Besides, I said 'could have some truth in them'. That didn't mean I meant 'certainly has some truth in them'. You cannot deny that given the (circumstantial, I agree) evidence there is, it is likely that the PS2 is going to be discontinued 'soon'.



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zuvuyeay on 13 December 2012
thismeintiel said:
zuvuyeay said:
S.Peelman said:

So, just putting my two cents in here. Figured, why the hell not? Basically, I think the same as Metallicube does:

I agree with the sentiment put forth by the Playstation people that the PS2 is still the highest selling console of all time and VGC's numbers are incorrect. This goes both ways though, PS1's 104 number should be adjusted down by 2m, I guess PS2's missing 2m have camped out at the PS1's.

I also agree with the argument of the Nintendo people that it's extremely unlikely that the PS2 is outselling the DS, and that it is even more unlikely that PS2 has sold >160m.

I agree with the 156m figure for the PS2 is the most likely figure for the system. With DS now at 153.7 and above VGC's 153.6 figure for PS2, which was in fact from november last year, it puts it at about 2m behind the PS2.

Any XBox people have anything to add?


I believe the recent rumors of the PS2's discontinuation could have some truth in them. It's likely, twelve years after being released, that it's entering (or has already entered) it's final shipment's production. Twelve years, just like the PS1 was discontinued after twelve years. Also, Sony will need the resources soon to be put to use for the PS4 instead.
I believe the DS will win this eventually, as I think the PS2 will be discontinued first (and soon) and the DS will stick around for 2-3 years.

yep,surely the PS2 is going to be shut down,can't see why they would still make them now or going into 2013,no stopping the DS it has had a good last quarter this year really picked up,good work form nintendo

I doubt that Nintendo is going to keep the DS going for another 2 years.  Most likely next year will be the final fiscal year of Nintendo supporting the device.  It may also be the same year that Sony discontinues the PS2.  So, I don't see the DS ever making it past the PS2.


but i thought it already had,i see a few threads a day,what so we are thinking spring next year anf no more DS or PS2 will be on the production line.i've been impressed by the pick up of the DS i thought it was finished,nintendo could keep churning them out if they wanted to by the looks of these holiday sales



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Yakuzaice on 13 December 2012

People seem to look at US sales and assume the same can be extrapolated to the rest of the world.  Basically the only place where the DS is still doing decent numbers is North America.  At least so far Nintendo doesn't seem to be nearly as successful in developing countries.

Here is the regional breakdown for the first 6 months of Nintendo's FY (April-September).

DS
Japan: 10k
Americas: 790k
Others: 190k

Total: 980k (Yes it adds up to 990, but that is likely due to rounding) compared to 1142k sold according to VGC

So about 80% of the shipments for the first half of their fiscal year went to the Americas.  And that percentage has generally been increasing over the last year and a half at least.

The last quarter that we got PS2 figures on their own was Jan-Mar of this year.  For that quarter it shipped 600k compared to 460k for the DS.  We also know that Nintendo's DS forecast for this FY is 2.5 million while the PS2 one is 3 million.  So far the DS is down 62% in the first 6 months of the fiscal year.  This would suggest a 1.94 million FY if the drop is consistent for the year.  I expect it will probably excede that, but not by the kind of margins it needs to make substantial gains on the PS2.

Sony has shipped 6.3 million PS2+PS3's in the first six months of their fiscal year.  That corresponds to 3335k PS3 sales according to VGC.  Even if we assume 5 million of that number is shipped PS3's, that would still have the PS2 outshipping the DS by over 300k for the half year.

None of the figures that are available suggest the DS has outsold the PS2 or that it is even outselling it quarter to quarter.  Though it should take this quarter quite handily as the PS2 hasn't experienced substantial holiday boosts in quite a while, and with DS sales so concentrated in NA it will likely have an incredibly large increase.



zuvuyeay on 13 December 2012
S.Peelman said:
zuvuyeay said:
S.Peelman said:

So, just putting my two cents in here. Figured, why the hell not? Basically, I think the same as Metallicube does:

I agree with the sentiment put forth by the Playstation people that the PS2 is still the highest selling console of all time and VGC's numbers are incorrect. This goes both ways though, PS1's 104 number should be adjusted down by 2m, I guess PS2's missing 2m have camped out at the PS1's.

I also agree with the argument of the Nintendo people that it's extremely unlikely that the PS2 is outselling the DS, and that it is even more unlikely that PS2 has sold >160m.

I agree with the 156m figure for the PS2 is the most likely figure for the system. With DS now at 153.7 and above VGC's 153.6 figure for PS2, which was in fact from november last year, it puts it at about 2m behind the PS2.

Any XBox people have anything to add?


I believe the recent rumors of the PS2's discontinuation could have some truth in them. It's likely, twelve years after being released, that it's entering (or has already entered) it's final shipment's production. Twelve years, just like the PS1 was discontinued after twelve years. Also, Sony will need the resources soon to be put to use for the PS4 instead.
I believe the DS will win this eventually, as I think the PS2 will be discontinued first (and soon) and the DS will stick around for 2-3 years.

yep,surely the PS2 is going to be shut down,can't see why they would still make them now or going into 2013,no stopping the DS it has had a good last quarter this year really picked up,good work form nintendo

I don't get what you're trying to say (no offence, but a little more effort in syntax and punctuation would've helped).

Why would the PS2 continue to live on for another couple of years and the DS be killed in 2013? DS is four years younger and selling decently for a console with a successor out. There is no logic in this.

Besides, I said 'could have some truth in them'. That didn't mean I meant 'certainly has some truth in them'. You cannot deny that given the (circumstantial, I agree) evidence there is, it is likely that the PS2 is going to be discontinued 'soon'.

yep,i don't think the PS2 will carry on but the DS can,i've been impressed by the pick up like i said to thisismential,we had a seece prediciotn thread at the beginning of the year and i thought the PSP would pip the DS but i was wrong,i wasn't arguing with you but agreeing,no offence taken



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thismeintiel on 13 December 2012
zuvuyeay said:
thismeintiel said:

I doubt that Nintendo is going to keep the DS going for another 2 years.  Most likely next year will be the final fiscal year of Nintendo supporting the device.  It may also be the same year that Sony discontinues the PS2.  So, I don't see the DS ever making it past the PS2.


but i thought it already had,i see a few threads a day,what so we are thinking spring next year anf no more DS or PS2 will be on the production line.i've been impressed by the pick up of the DS i thought it was finished,nintendo could keep churning them out if they wanted to by the looks of these holiday sales

Yes, it was a pretty good upswing, but that was mostly because of killer deals during Black Friday.  Don't get me wrong, Nintendo could continue to make the DS for another couple of years if they truly wanted to, though I'm sure sales would be only ~1.5M-2M a year by that time.  However, Nintendo doesn't really have a record of selling a console too many years after its successor has been released, nothing like Sony.  Looking at handhelds, specifically, the Gameboy was discontinued 2 years after the GBA was released.  And while the GBA was discontinued 4 years after the DS was released, this was only because it was only 3 1/2 years old when the DS was released.  That's why I'm guessing 2013-14 is when it will be discontinued.



 

S.Peelman on 13 December 2012
zuvuyeay said:
S.Peelman said:
zuvuyeay said:
S.Peelman said:

So, just putting my two cents in here. Figured, why the hell not? Basically, I think the same as Metallicube does:

I agree with the sentiment put forth by the Playstation people that the PS2 is still the highest selling console of all time and VGC's numbers are incorrect. This goes both ways though, PS1's 104 number should be adjusted down by 2m, I guess PS2's missing 2m have camped out at the PS1's.

I also agree with the argument of the Nintendo people that it's extremely unlikely that the PS2 is outselling the DS, and that it is even more unlikely that PS2 has sold >160m.

I agree with the 156m figure for the PS2 is the most likely figure for the system. With DS now at 153.7 and above VGC's 153.6 figure for PS2, which was in fact from november last year, it puts it at about 2m behind the PS2.

Any XBox people have anything to add?


I believe the recent rumors of the PS2's discontinuation could have some truth in them. It's likely, twelve years after being released, that it's entering (or has already entered) it's final shipment's production. Twelve years, just like the PS1 was discontinued after twelve years. Also, Sony will need the resources soon to be put to use for the PS4 instead.
I believe the DS will win this eventually, as I think the PS2 will be discontinued first (and soon) and the DS will stick around for 2-3 years.

yep,surely the PS2 is going to be shut down,can't see why they would still make them now or going into 2013,no stopping the DS it has had a good last quarter this year really picked up,good work form nintendo

I don't get what you're trying to say (no offence, but a little more effort in syntax and punctuation would've helped).

Why would the PS2 continue to live on for another couple of years and the DS be killed in 2013? DS is four years younger and selling decently for a console with a successor out. There is no logic in this.

Besides, I said 'could have some truth in them'. That didn't mean I meant 'certainly has some truth in them'. You cannot deny that given the (circumstantial, I agree) evidence there is, it is likely that the PS2 is going to be discontinued 'soon'.

yep,i don't think the PS2 will carry on but the DS can,i've been impressed by the pick up like i said to thisismential,we had a seece prediciotn thread at the beginning of the year and i thought the PSP would pip the DS but i was wrong,i wasn't arguing with you but agreeing,no offence taken

Ah.

Okay, then I apologise.

I'm not the one people should be arguing with about this anyway, as I don't really care. Sure, primarily I'm a Nintendo guy so I'm rooting for my guy, but that's probably just because I started out on those. Had a lot of fun and good memories with my PS1 and 3 too (yeah, I'm like the only in the world who has never played PS2, had DC and GC instead that generation)!