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DMeisterJ said:
johnlucas said:
TWRoO said:
Well the PS2 was in low supply for quite a while, not as bad as Wii. But if it had had a closer WW launch it may have been.... after all it was 7 months between Japan and American launch and a further ? months till PAL [2-4... I can't remember exactly]

And thats with only 2/3 of the systems being made. Edit... damnit, half the systems. wow. If PS2 was the record for the console produced fastest from launch then Wii has doubled that record!

See that part I bolded?

Now you understand why I say 240,000,000 MINIMUM lifetime sales of Wii.

The sad fact of the matter is that doubling that record may be just the beginning. The worst case scenario is doubling but we could very well see a tripling, quadrupling, and maybe even a quintupling of PS2's lifetime sales.

Nice to see people realizing just how strong the Wii is.

And remember...Wii Fit hasn't launched in the rest of the world yet.

Watch the numbers jump then.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

John Lucas


Here is the problem that you and Avinash_Tyagi have. Yes, it has outpaced the PS2, but your extremly lofty goal of 240 mil. Minimum, is not going to happen, as it is still being outpaced by the DS (Lite) and the DS will not even get to that goal, at half of the price. It may outsell the PS2, but your predictions have the Wii selling above and beyond all other systems, and it's still being outsold by the DS, so I don't know about that happening. I think that the Wii will sell well, and as ameratsu said, your argument falls apart when you believe that it will sell at a rate of at least 40 mil/year for five or six years. That will not happen. It will sell at max, 150 million consoles.

The sole reasonf or that is that in 3.5 years, we'll be playing the new XBOX, and a year or two after that, the new PlayStation, and as dated as the Wii looks now, it will look like a prehistoric fossil compared to the other systems, and I don't care what you say, people like buying the new thing, not old stuff that's been on the market for six years.

So that brings me to the fact that in the next 3.5 years, the Wii would have to sell around 220 million consoles, or seventy three million consoles per year, which from last year, would be a five time increase in production. But since the Wii would continue sellingn when the next generation of consoles come out, let's say that if it makes it to 200 million before the next XBOX comes out, it would continue to sell another forty million, reaching your lofty goal. Sales would have to be around fifty million for the next three years, sustained, against the competition priced only fifty bucks ahead of it. It is not going to happen, you're taking the first year of sales, and applying it for a lifetime.

I think that when this year ends, it'll be safe to say that we can pick a winner, but your predictions make no sense. You just happened to get lucky and predict that the Wii would sell extremly well, and your prediction for 2007 is still wrong, as it's just now hitting 20 mil, and your sig said at 11:59:59 PM on New years eve. So forgive me if your predictions don't resonate well with me.

 

Wii is wining vs the DS and is almost double the PS2

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=DS&reg2=All&cons3=PS2&reg3=All&weeks=156

 

Now this one. 

 http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=DS&reg2=All&cons3=PS2&reg3=All&weeks=156&weekly=1

 Notice how the Ps2 sales (on average) are higher the further along the timeline you go.

 

 

The sole reasonf or that is that in 3.5 years, we'll be playing the new XBOX, and a year or two after that, the new PlayStation, and as dated as the Wii looks now, it will look like a prehistoric fossil compared to the other systems, and I don't care what you say, people like buying the new thing, not old stuff that's been on the market for six years.


So why is the PS2 still competing with the 360 and PS3 in sales.

 

So that brings me to the fact that in the next 3.5 years, the Wii would have to sell around 220 million consoles, or seventy three million consoles per year, which from last year, would be a five time increase in production. But since the Wii would continue sellingn when the next generation of consoles come out, let's say that if it makes it to 200 million before the next XBOX comes out, it would continue to sell another forty million, reaching your lofty goal.

All it requies is a 300,000 increase every 3 months to produce

250M by July 2012

200M by October 2011

 

Sales would have to be around fifty million for the next three years, sustained, against the competition priced only fifty bucks ahead of it. It is not going to happen, you're taking the first year of sales, and applying it for a lifetime.

 

See PS2 Vs GC. GC was much cheaper but didn't sell.

 

And why would it only be $50 ahead. There can still be price drops for the wii.

 

 

 



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Soriku said:
^ No, Pachter is a PS3 fanboi

Don't attack JL! Whatever he says is FACT! OK, the 240 mil thing is a little absurd. It will fall short, if it even comes close AT ALL But it will pass the PS2.

 Soriku is right. Here's to all u Wii nonbelievers out there! The Wii will continue to surprise...



@ catprog

You're just like JL. If nintendo could triple production, the competition not drop their prices, the Wii drop their price, the competition have sucky games come out, the Wii have great games come out, the wii get third party support, the competition lose third party support, Ellen Degeneres turn straight, Jay-Z turn gay, Beyonce get a sex change, PS3 be given away for free, Microsoft gives you money for buying their system, the world come to an end, and the universe implode, then the Wii will win.

There are so many stipulations in your post that Nintendo has to do to reach thhis goal, it's unlikely that it will even get close. I didn't respond to your rebuttals because they are all speculation, and anecdotal. And nothing concrete and makes no sense.



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@DMeisterJ

 

 

The first point is showing that the Wii is outselling the DS at this point in their lives not the ds as you said.

 

The 2nd point is that sales increase as you go further in the gen for the leading console although this one show it better

 

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=GC&reg2=All&cons3=XB&reg3=All&weeks=156&weekly=1

 

 The Ps2 sill competing is to show that despite being the weakest of the last gen with bad graphics compared with the other ones is still a viable system.

 

The point about production is that IF it countiunes to sell then the production levels CAN be met by very renasable increases.

 

I never said anything about wheter there was enough demend. All I did was look at the supply side.

 

The PS2 Vs GC comparison is to show that price is not the only factor.

 

 

 

 



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DMeisterJ said:
johnlucas said:
TWRoO said:
Well the PS2 was in low supply for quite a while, not as bad as Wii. But if it had had a closer WW launch it may have been.... after all it was 7 months between Japan and American launch and a further ? months till PAL [2-4... I can't remember exactly]

And thats with only 2/3 of the systems being made. Edit... damnit, half the systems. wow. If PS2 was the record for the console produced fastest from launch then Wii has doubled that record!

See that part I bolded?

Now you understand why I say 240,000,000 MINIMUM lifetime sales of Wii.

The sad fact of the matter is that doubling that record may be just the beginning. The worst case scenario is doubling but we could very well see a tripling, quadrupling, and maybe even a quintupling of PS2's lifetime sales.

Nice to see people realizing just how strong the Wii is.

And remember...Wii Fit hasn't launched in the rest of the world yet.

Watch the numbers jump then.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

John Lucas 


Here is the problem that you and Avinash_Tyagi have.  Yes, it has outpaced the PS2, but your extremly lofty goal of 240 mil.  Minimum, is not going to happen, as it is still being outpaced by the DS (Lite) and the DS will not even get to that goal, at half of the price.  It may outsell the PS2, but your predictions have the Wii selling above and beyond all other systems, and it's still being outsold by the DS, so I don't know about that happening.  I think that the Wii will sell well, and as ameratsu said, your argument falls apart when you believe that it will sell at a rate of at least 40 mil/year for five or six years.  That will not happen.  It will sell at max, 150 million consoles. 

The sole reasonf or that is that in 3.5 years, we'll be playing the new XBOX, and a year or two after that, the new PlayStation, and as dated as the Wii looks now, it will look like a prehistoric fossil compared to the other systems, and I don't care what you say, people like buying the new thing, not old stuff that's been on the market for six years. 

So that brings me to the fact that in the next 3.5 years, the Wii would have to sell around 220 million consoles, or seventy three million consoles per year, which from last year, would be a five time increase in production.  But since the Wii would continue sellingn when the next generation of consoles come out, let's say that if it makes it to 200 million before the next XBOX comes out, it would continue to sell another forty million, reaching your lofty goal.  Sales would have to be around fifty million for the next three years, sustained, against the competition priced only fifty bucks ahead of it.  It is not going to happen, you're taking the first year of sales, and applying it for a lifetime. 

I think that when this year ends, it'll be safe to say that we can pick a winner, but your predictions make no sense.  You just happened to get lucky and predict that the Wii would sell extremly well, and your prediction for 2007 is still wrong, as it's just now hitting 20 mil, and your sig said at 11:59:59 PM on New years eve.  So forgive me if your predictions don't resonate well with me. 


 DM its outpaced the DS in WW sales, and with suplly constrints, supply constrints, its supply has been constrined, and yet its done it



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Ridiculous? No, smart move by Nintendo, by playing off the initial hype of the Wii, they purposely make it seem like its sold out just so more people buy into it, thinking "Well if its sold out it must be great"



Username2324 said:
Ridiculous? No, smart move by Nintendo, by playing off the initial hype of the Wii, they purposely make it seem like its sold out just so more people buy into it, thinking "Well if its sold out it must be great"

 Yeah, ummm...they would never ship by air if it was an intentional shortage, you lose money that way



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Mummelmann said:
rasone77 said:

@DJmeister
I would agree with you if all the systems offered the same functionality or were going after the same demographic. Wii offers a completely different gaming experience and Nintendo is going after the non gaming crowd.

It's sort of like going to a car lot specifically to buy a 6 person passenger car or minivan for your family but since everyone is sold out for a while you buy 2 person pick-up truck instead. Sure it's going to happen but not enough for the manufacturers to stop making cars because everyone is buying trucks now or even enough that trucks become the dominate mode of transportation.


That is the strangest analogy ever, try again. If you don't find that car, you buy a different one with the same capabilities or you go to another car lot. Have you ever bought a car? You do know that they cost slightly more than consoles, right?


 I definately know more about cars than you do. I sold them for 7 years and bought 6  which is why I used it as an analogy. Hell a PS3 costs  more than most people's car payments and to most people (those that don't have the cash to buy one out right) that is all they care about is the payment. They look at how much they spend every month and not what the overall cost is. That's why people fall for that leasing shit all the time because the payment is cheaper. They never get to own the damn thing but their budget isn't strained because they can't afford a buy payment. 

Cars are easily equated with consoles price wise when you realize how the market actually works something you obviously don't know shit about.