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famousringo said:

No, I mean when Facebook gets around to making their app native on Android like they did for iOS. They moved from html5 to native on iOS and performance doubled. Usage doubled along with it. Last I heard, Facebook's Android app was still html5, but you can bet they're working on that now.

Mobile has been a struggle for a lot of these web 2.0 companies. They really thought web was the future of everything, and the revelation that optimised apps are much more popular — at least in mobile computing — has been a real shock to them and a challenge to their core competencies.

Edit: Google tells me there are rumours that native Facebook for Android is in the testing phase. That would certainly explain the dogfooding poster. Sounds like they might not have enough Android users on their staff to do adequate testing. That tells a story right there.

The link I sent you would tell you that. That's the whole point to those posters in Facebook HQ. I can't wait too as the FB app does suck in comparison.



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NintendoPie said:
UncleScrooge said:
So I just came here to say that a surge in marketshare was to be expected due to the iPhone 5 being the first new iPhone design in 2 years thus generating a lot of demand.

...and what I find is another stupid discussion about iOS vs Android. The Third World War will be iOS vs Android fanatics, I swear. We'll all get blown up because some stupid people couldn't stand others buying a different phone.

I don't know why it's such a bad thing that there is a war between these fans. It's what most of the people on this site do, just with game companies. 

Actually, console wars are nothing compared to the Android vs Apple war today. The battle is much more evil when it comes to smartphones.



UncleScrooge said:
NintendoPie said:
UncleScrooge said:
So I just came here to say that a surge in marketshare was to be expected due to the iPhone 5 being the first new iPhone design in 2 years thus generating a lot of demand.

...and what I find is another stupid discussion about iOS vs Android. The Third World War will be iOS vs Android fanatics, I swear. We'll all get blown up because some stupid people couldn't stand others buying a different phone.

I don't know why it's such a bad thing that there is a war between these fans. It's what most of the people on this site do, just with game companies. 

Actually, console wars are nothing compared to the Android vs Apple war today. The battle is much more evil when it comes to smartphones.

Well, I haven't really payed attention to much of their wars so you could be right. 



Euphoria14 said:


As for features enjoying plugging into docking station.. There are many more advanced features for android device

For proof watch this vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-Rbm-m5Kk

So if we count the pros again.. android being an open platform has much much more options available

 

Remember, I had an android device before and my fiance has the Galaxy S3 we are discussing. I know about it being open as my phone was running CM7 vanilla ROM with custom kernel and with various performance mods to get it to well over 2600 on benchmark tests, which was pretty high considering the Captivate had a benchmark score of 800 when stock. Those mods came at a price though since the ROMs tend to not be 100% stable and I had WiFi issues, GPS issues amongst various others. I am well versed in the modding community and am a frequent user over at the XDA forums.

My iPhone is also jail broken and highly moddable at the moment so what am I missing right now? Widgets and Live Wallpapers? Never used them before thanks to being nothing but resource and battery drains. My phones is already set to do what I would have had my Android do and it's running fantastic.

Your video is also about the Note, which is a big ass tablet-phone thing. We are discussing S3 and 4S. Plus I already have a laptop and a tablet, so that is pretty useless actually. It's one of those features where you say "Hey, look what I can do!", meanwhile nobody really cares.

 

Now coming to resale part.

The thing is the carrier based 2 year contract works only in US..its nowhere as much adapted around the world.

So to sum up. Just because some different policy available in US . the resale value of iPhone makes it better for the US citizens.

i then quite agree with you iPhone is better for you..even though because of only its resale value.

Rest of the world is dominated by Android.

 

Good thing this article is about the US, not to mention I live in the US. I don't care what people use outside of it because i'm not calling them.

 

So what i see is Android task up ahead : shift US citizens to Android from iOS

iOS task up ahead : shift Rest of the world citizens to iOS from Android.N

I pretty much know who is gonna come on top :D

 

In marketshare? Yes. In developer and peripheral support? No.

 

Still, I think the S3 is an awesome device. It just isn't for me and honestly, it isn't in anyway a device that blows mine away. At least in any real meaningful way anyways.




You say 

 It's one of those features where you say "Hey, look what I can do!", meanwhile nobody really cares.

Well cant same be said about your docking station feature or peripheral support ? Rest of the world dont uses and dont care.

Developer support will go only with the devices who have the biggest marketshare..Android started up late and thus all developers rushed to iOS because it had bigger market share in the previous years but now both have equal no of apps. so it actually means android has catched up and developer support is at a bigger pace then Apple.

 

My iPhone is also jail broken and highly moddable at the moment so what am I missing right now? Widgets and Live Wallpapers? Never used them before thanks to being nothing but resource and battery drains. My phones is already set to do what I would have had my Android do and it's running fantastic.

Now this is pure opinion.

Same can be said for Android User

My Android has Widgets and Live Wallpapers and is extremely moddable at the moment so what am I missing right now? Resale Value? Never used them because i never like selling my device Just like my console and other gadgets. My phones is already set to do much more that i would have been able to do with my iPhone do and it's running fantastic.



People argument for android phones being better than iOS phones is usually hardware related such as ram and processor. What people don't seem to realize the android os takes up A LOT more resource than iOS.And the reason why this is , because android os has to have more resource in order to use different architectures built by different manufactures such as samsung ,sony and other hardware companies. Where iOS devices is controlled by apple so they can modify there operating system around it easily and therefore less resources used up. And second argument is android is open source, but I would think most people would rather have someone reviewing apps so you won't waste our money completely on horrible apps (not saying apple doesn't have horrible apps but less chance of getting completely ripped off) and also gives developers a better chance being successful. So that way the app store won't be filled with so many horrible app that the great apps won't have any chance to be noticed. Also, I am a mobile developer myself.



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sweetoothj said:

People argument for android phones being better than iOS phones is usually hardware related such as ram and processor. What people don't seem to realize the android os takes up A LOT more resource than iOS.And the reason why this is , because android os has to have more resource in order to use different architectures built by different manufactures such as samsung ,sony and other hardware companies. Where iOS devices is controlled by apple so they can modify there operating system around it easily and therefore less resources used up.

I agree that Android takes up more resources than iOS but you also don't seem to realise that 2GB for android is not equal to 1GB of iPhone

Android top smartphones will lag on 1 GB Ram but this doesn't make that 2GB is required for them to remove lag.

It is fundamental of computer that all the things are to be made of power of two so the next possible value of RAM is 2GB

So in theory 1GB iphone is lag free and lets suppose 1.3- 1.8 GB for Android is lag free ..this means Android users are getting extra 200 - 700 MB EXTRA ram for the same price.

 And second argument is android is open source, but I would think most people would rather have someone reviewing apps so you won't waste our money completely on horrible apps (not saying apple doesn't have horrible apps but less chance of getting completely ripped off) and also gives developers a better chance being successful. So that way the app store won't be filled with so many horrible app that the great apps won't have any chance to be noticed. Also, I am a mobile developer myself.

This approach is only short term and cant be done in long term. Again people like you dont realize that you are also paying for this review to be done by Apple for the applications. It doesn't matter to you.

So let me give example.

There will be a body set up to review phones so that they are not crap and agree to the their phones standards.This review charges are included in the phone price. suppose $10 .. MOST PEOPLE WOULD RATHER PAY THOSE $10

 

There will be a body set up to review cars so that they are not crap and agree to the their standards.This review charges are included in the cars price. suppose $100 .. MOST PEOPLE WOULD RATHER PAY THOSE $100

 

There will be a body set up to review vgchart member post so that they are not crap and agree to the their standards( no personal attacks,spam).This review takes 2 day to complete. MOST PEOPLE WOULD WAIT 2 days for their post to APPEAR .

The review part done by apple was good for the short term and it helped them create their brand image but in the long term reviewing are bad from the consumer point of view ( price ) and apple will be left behind in the app store race.

 

P.S 

I am a mobile developer my self too :D

 


 



man-bear-pig said:

 

 


Which one's the iPhone? They look so identical it's impossible to tell them apart, I can totally see why Apple sued.



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Shubhank said:

You say 

 It's one of those features where you say "Hey, look what I can do!", meanwhile nobody really cares.

Well cant same be said about your docking station feature or peripheral support ? Rest of the world dont uses and dont care.

Developer support will go only with the devices who have the biggest marketshare..Android started up late and thus all developers rushed to iOS because it had bigger market share in the previous years but now both have equal no of apps. so it actually means android has catched up and developer support is at a bigger pace then Apple.

Now these are just complete lies. Anyone and their mother can find people who use stereos with iPhone docking stations or cars with iPhone syncing capabilities. There is a reason why iPods became so incredibly popular and tons of manufacturers create iDevice compatible devices and accessories. Remember, these docks aren't mandated to iPhones only, but iPods (Touch or not), iPhones and even iPads.

How many buy special cables so they can hook their phones to a TV and run a video? Or browse through their phone files on the TV? I can guarantee it is MUCH MUCH less than the amount of people using iPod music docks or stereos. Big difference when one has you just put your device in it, pick a playlist and go do your work around the house or just listen to some tunes with friends around.

Developer support will go with the one with the biggest marketshare? So tell me why we still see tons of iPhone/iPod exclusive software? That's easy. It's hard to make Android exclusive software when you need to create your product for multiple hardware configurations. Has Android caught up in sheer number of apps? Absolutely. Does Android get everything iPhones do? Absolutely not. Just look to The World Ends With You, Bastion, Infinity Blade & Lunar SSST as examples. That plus the dedicated Game Center with full achievement, friends and leaderboard support across almost every title makes it the much better option for developers to get their games known. Yes, you have Feint and some of those other community services, but none of them are standard across almost all games or come standard on your devices. That makes a big difference whether you want to believe it or not.

Your claim also doesn't explain why developers make more money on this smaller marketshare than they do on that of the marketshare leader.

 

My iPhone is also jail broken and highly moddable at the moment so what am I missing right now? Widgets and Live Wallpapers? Never used them before thanks to being nothing but resource and battery drains. My phones is already set to do what I would have had my Android do and it's running fantastic.

Now this is pure opinion.

Same can be said for Android User 

My Android has Widgets and Live Wallpapers and is extremely moddable at the moment so what am I missing right now? Resale Value? Never used them because i never like selling my device Just like my console and other gadgets. My phones is already set to do much more that i would have been able to do with my iPhone do and it's running fantastic.

That's fantastic and I aknowledged that the S3 is a great device, but you're not in any way proving how it blows my 4S away. I expected that when you responded to the comparison with a quick "LOL".

Also, it's pure opinion that Live Wallpapers and Widgets use additional battery resources? It's a fact that they are. Not just that, but they take up additional memory resources as well.

Not to mention you passing them off as a pro is also purely opinion. Just like screen size it's either for someone or not. They aren't some magic features that make Android phones these super incredible devices.

 



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binary solo said:
man-bear-pig said:

 

 


Which one's the iPhone? They look so identical it's impossible to tell them apart, I can totally see why Apple sued.

I believe they sued them over the Galaxy S2.





iPhone = Great gaming device. Don't agree? Who cares, because you're wrong.

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kowenicki said:
Forseeable future it will be Android > iOS > Windows

its a simple matter of the number of devices.

The gap between iOS and windows will reduce massively over time though.


Your optimism is admirable.