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Forums - Microsoft - The REAL Problem With Xbox Live (OPINION)

ironmanDX on 25 November 2012
riderz13371 said:
ironmanDX said:
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ironmanDX said:
 

 How a company makes you pay so that you can communicate with your friends just seems down right disgusting to me.


I stopped reading here.

If everyone thought like you then I wouldn't be surprised if companies somehow started charging us for talking to our friends face to face. How you find paying to talk to your friends normal is odd to me. You pay for the xbox, then you pay for a headset thinking that you can use party chat. But then you have to pay every month for it.


Eveyone does think like me!!! You pay for goods and services!!! Hell, I don't even kow you and you pay to use your internet to communicate wit me right now!! Do you pay for a phone? Mobile and landline? Foolish statement.

phones are mobile and can be carried anywhere. I don't know about you, but I haven't seen people carrying their Xbox and headset on outside talking to people. And as for your paying for internet comment, this just goes back to the way Microsoft is being greedy. So I pay for internet and then I buy a console and finaly I have to pay to use my internet connection AGAIN? No my friend, you don't think like me.

I said mobile AND LANDLINE! Do you take your, now read carefully, HOME PHONE with you everywhere? Oh, you pay for a house on a mortgage? Must take that everywhere with you too? You pay for it so you must be able to use it all the time no matter where you are? I'm glad I don't think like you.

 

People pay for netflix and other internet based subscriptions? Why rip on xbl??

Because XBL forces you to pay for Gold even if all you want to do is pay for netflix. How do you find that normal?! No sane person can justify the way Microsoft does this.

You didn't reply to the first bit. 10 million or whatever people on WoW say hi. It's common now. Get with the times.

if "the times" are having to pay monthly subscriptions to access content which is free on a different product/service then I don't want to get with it.


Soon you might not have a choice. PSN+ was made probably because they realized too late that online subscription is the way to go. They're in a business are they not? To make money? If they forced pay to play on people now you'd be alienated and possibly switch console or stop all together online.

 

You still didn't reply to the first bit.

I already did. You can justify paying for something that has NO alternatives. Xbox Live has alternatives. Paying to use a phone/landine does not. You either pay to use them or you just simply can't use them because you aren't paying. Same goes for a mortgage/renting a home. You either pay for those things, or you are homeless.

Mobile and landline phones have alternatives. You can live without them. People back then would have been in uproar that you have to pay for the phone and line rental/credit too but now you consider them a thing you cannot live without. It is the same basic principal. Just because you pay for the hardware doen't mean it will stop costing you!!



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Capulous on 25 November 2012
riderz13371 said:

I haven't made any other threads regarding the issues with xbox live. And as I said (if you even read what I wrote) go ahead and make threads bashing psn or psn+ or even nintendo. But you didn't read that part did you? This is from a gamers perspective, because as a gamer the type of services microsoft is offering are simply not worth my money. Of course people who pay for xbox live are happy with it, as was I when I had it in 07. I'm sure it's definitly improved, but once I found out I could have online for free on a different platform...I was gone.

I disagree, this is your opinion and your perspective. You presume to speak for gamers, but there are plenty that have no problem with the cost associated with Xbox LIVE.   



riderz13371 on 25 November 2012

Mobile and landline phones have alternatives. You can live without them. People back then would have been in uproar that you have to pay for the phone and line rental/credit too but now you consider them a thing you cannot live without. It is the same basic principal. Just because you pay for the hardware doen't mean it will stop costing you!!

I don't see as how not having a phone is an alternative to having a phone, but I guess we both interpret the word "alternative" in a different way. Alternative is defined as "One or two of more possibilities". This can be interpreted differently depending on the person so neither one of us is wrong here.



riderz13371 on 25 November 2012
Capulous said:
riderz13371 said:

I haven't made any other threads regarding the issues with xbox live. And as I said (if you even read what I wrote) go ahead and make threads bashing psn or psn+ or even nintendo. But you didn't read that part did you? This is from a gamers perspective, because as a gamer the type of services microsoft is offering are simply not worth my money. Of course people who pay for xbox live are happy with it, as was I when I had it in 07. I'm sure it's definitly improved, but once I found out I could have online for free on a different platform...I was gone.

I disagree, this is your opinion and your perspective. You presume to speak for gamers, but there are plenty that have no problem with the cost associated with Xbox LIVE.   

Oh dear god. I said in the OP that this is an opinion from me from a gamers perspective. IT SAYS OPINION IN THE THREAD TITLE DAMNIT!



Jaywood2010 on 25 November 2012
riderz13371 said:


And that is your decision, now stop trying to sway everyone into thinking just like you.  People have different opinions. decisions, and different minds so get use to it.  Just like you said above no sane person would pay for it?  haha  That is only your opinion now drop it.

I said no sane person can justify paying for Xbox Live Gold just so you can have the option to pay for services such as Netflix, when you can pay just for netflix itself on the Wii and PS3. And yes that is my opinion, it's in capital letters in the thread title and I reiterate countless time saying how all of this is my opinion. Yet, you people still don't seem to understand. Meh.


Yes you say it is your opinion and then you say "gamers perspective".  You have no argument when people state they are happy with XBL.  You need to honestly drop it because everybody has different opinions and all you are doing is making yourself look bad.




       

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Capulous on 25 November 2012
riderz13371 said:
Capulous said:
riderz13371 said:

I haven't made any other threads regarding the issues with xbox live. And as I said (if you even read what I wrote) go ahead and make threads bashing psn or psn+ or even nintendo. But you didn't read that part did you? This is from a gamers perspective, because as a gamer the type of services microsoft is offering are simply not worth my money. Of course people who pay for xbox live are happy with it, as was I when I had it in 07. I'm sure it's definitly improved, but once I found out I could have online for free on a different platform...I was gone.

I disagree, this is your opinion and your perspective. You presume to speak for gamers, but there are plenty that have no problem with the cost associated with Xbox LIVE.   

Oh dear god. I said in the OP that this is an opinion from me from a gamers perspective. IT SAYS OPINION IN THE THREAD TITLE DAMNIT!

I read your opinion piece. Basically bashing a service you haven't used in half a decade or so and claiming why it is bad from a gamers perspective. It is just your opinion. It has nothing to do with it being a gamer's perspective. Don't claim it as such.



riderz13371 on 25 November 2012


Yes you say it is your opinion and then you say "gamers perspective".  You have no argument when people state they are happy with XBL.  You need to honestly drop it because everybody has different opinions and all you are doing is making yourself look bad.


Yea I said my opinion from a gamers perspective because in other threads where people post reasons as to why Xbox Live is failing, they seem to keep bringing up the fact that it has millions of users. In reality this mainly benefits the shareholders and CEO's of the company. It's my opinion from a gamers perspective. I would be more happy if xbox live was a good service but failing in terms of subscribers rather than a bad service with a high number of subscribers. Also yea I do have an argument when people state they are happy with it, because i'm not happy with it. Again, opinion. 



ironmanDX on 25 November 2012

Why all the anti xbox threads of late?? Are you all butthurt about something?



Chark on 25 November 2012

Am I in the right place?

Yes, I'm in the right place.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

riderz13371 on 25 November 2012
ironmanDX said:
Why all the anti xbox threads of late?? Are you all butthurt about something?

People are always hating on something. Before this it was the Vita.