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What are you?

Atheist/Agnostic 64 50.00%
 
Christian 46 35.94%
 
Satanist 11 8.59%
 
After this thread not sure 7 5.47%
 
Total:128
richardhutnik said:
TheEvilBanana said:

Sorry, you're wrong. According to your bible there is ZERO chance of me being forgiven, if you don't believe me read the words of your christ:

Mark 3:22-30 states,

"And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, 'He has Beelzebub,' and, 'By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons.' …'Assuredly, I [Jesus] say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation;' because they said, 'He has an unclean spirit'" 

In Matthew 12:31-32, Jesus says to the Pharisees,

"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come"

Besides, don't talk to me about how I'm evil because I've sinned. First of all I don't believe there are sins, only bad karma. And having bad karma does not make you a bad person, because people change. Besides, I have very little bad karma.

I would say that, very likely, the sin of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit would be with knowing exactly what is of God, and attributing it evil willfully and knowing such.  There has to be a degree of certainty and knowing.  Would you say you fully know that which is of God for sure, and say it is of evil?  If you aren't sure, then I am unsure where you could of done this.

I know what is of YHWH and the Judeo/Chirstian religion. I renounce it and look upon it with distain. I believe it is evil.



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ninetailschris said:
KungKras said:
I find it interresting how alike the ramblings of OP and NolSinkler are.

I guess religions have similar argumentative techniques no matter how new or old they are.


How is a guy saying that everything is a conspicary ........compared to a guy actually quote against what a person is making out of thin air?

They both quote and parrot their respective religious doctrines. These doctrines are also the single context that they approach the discussion in.

The christians are gonna quote the bible and use it as authority, while the satanist guy is gonna repeat stuff he read on his satanist websites. They both derive and base their arguments from their sources of faith. The similarity is striking.



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TheEvilBanana said:
SecondWar said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.


Don't forget weed smoking! It makes any conspiracy argument really convincing.

This has been quite the entertaining read I must say, but I can't believe any point your trying to make. Quite a lot of what you say just confuses me, as others have said, it might be useful going back to school (also, stop smoking weed, its messing with your head).

Whilst trying to avoid being offensive, honestly his own admissions about himself and his profile picture (whether it is him or not) don't help him come across well in this. Studies music and arts, is a satanist and looks like a stereo-typical weed-smoking 'f*** the system' type of guy, with a vein of the hippie movment. Obviously not saying this is who he is as I don't know him it hard not to have your opnion of someone influenced when they have that sort of pciture.

Also this part of his OP is a typical 'my beliefs are right and yours are wrong' arguement.

"He speaks to me through diverse manners and tells me all the truths and lies. He gives me magickal powers that christians and their religion, which I believe to be false, never even promises or gives you. Anything I want comes to me without effort. When I pray he listens, considers what I want, and then gives me what I need, unlike the christian God who you pray to and absolutely nothing happens, and you look for the smallest things which could be considered "signs" that he answered your prayer, or atleast that's what I did when I tried being christian. How many time have you known christians, in real life or movies, to say "Give me a sign" then they take something small and insignificant as a sign when it's really just an irrelivant circumstance. When you ask Satan for a sign, you better believe you will get a sign, and you will know 100% that it is a sign from Satan directly to you."

So he prays and gets answer that are '100%' from Satan, wheras when Christians pray any 'sign' they receive is an irrelevant coinidence. Also not really sure if I can take people seriously when they claim to have magical powers. 

No. When I pray Satan speaks clearly in my head. Unlike the christian God I can actually have a conversation with Satan. I do have magickal powers, mine are not very progressed though, except for exerting control over people and tantra/sexual magic, that's what I'm good at, other forms of magick I can only do slightly with intense focus.

Also, how could you doubt that my profile picture is me? Here is my youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/HeathenForFun There, me in moving video form.

The bolded pretty much describes me.

1) Satan speaks cleary in your head? I not a doctor but that sounds like you have a mental disorder, possibly related to your use of drugs.

2) I could your profile picture is you because I don't know you and didn't want to make an incorrect assumption before you said it was you. Awhile back several forum members had profile pcitures of girls in bikinis which were certainly not them. My profile picture doesn't depict me either.

3) Just to clarify, is 'magick' the actual name of your 'Satanic power' or are you just consistenly mis-spelling magic? (I'm inclined to believe the former as you've done it too many times for it to be a mistake).



KungKras said:
ninetailschris said:
KungKras said:
I find it interresting how alike the ramblings of OP and NolSinkler are.

I guess religions have similar argumentative techniques no matter how new or old they are.


How is a guy saying that everything is a conspicary ........compared to a guy actually quote against what a person is making out of thin air?

They both quote and parrot their respective religious doctrines. These doctrines are also the single context that they approach the discussion in.

The christians are gonna quote the bible and use it as authority, while the satanist guy is gonna repeat stuff he read on his satanist websites. They both derive and base their arguments from their sources of faith. The similarity is striking.


I don't derive anything from faith. I have no faith. I have no faith, not even in the website. It just the closest thing to truth I've found. I never claim it to be infallible like christians do with their bible. It's authors were human, they made mistakes most likely. I believe all reveiled to me and given and dictated through my Father Satan to me personally. The light Lucifer has brought upon my life are my proof, I have no faith.



SecondWar said:
TheEvilBanana said:
SecondWar said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.


Don't forget weed smoking! It makes any conspiracy argument really convincing.

This has been quite the entertaining read I must say, but I can't believe any point your trying to make. Quite a lot of what you say just confuses me, as others have said, it might be useful going back to school (also, stop smoking weed, its messing with your head).

Whilst trying to avoid being offensive, honestly his own admissions about himself and his profile picture (whether it is him or not) don't help him come across well in this. Studies music and arts, is a satanist and looks like a stereo-typical weed-smoking 'f*** the system' type of guy, with a vein of the hippie movment. Obviously not saying this is who he is as I don't know him it hard not to have your opnion of someone influenced when they have that sort of pciture.

Also this part of his OP is a typical 'my beliefs are right and yours are wrong' arguement.

"He speaks to me through diverse manners and tells me all the truths and lies. He gives me magickal powers that christians and their religion, which I believe to be false, never even promises or gives you. Anything I want comes to me without effort. When I pray he listens, considers what I want, and then gives me what I need, unlike the christian God who you pray to and absolutely nothing happens, and you look for the smallest things which could be considered "signs" that he answered your prayer, or atleast that's what I did when I tried being christian. How many time have you known christians, in real life or movies, to say "Give me a sign" then they take something small and insignificant as a sign when it's really just an irrelivant circumstance. When you ask Satan for a sign, you better believe you will get a sign, and you will know 100% that it is a sign from Satan directly to you."

So he prays and gets answer that are '100%' from Satan, wheras when Christians pray any 'sign' they receive is an irrelevant coinidence. Also not really sure if I can take people seriously when they claim to have magical powers. 

No. When I pray Satan speaks clearly in my head. Unlike the christian God I can actually have a conversation with Satan. I do have magickal powers, mine are not very progressed though, except for exerting control over people and tantra/sexual magic, that's what I'm good at, other forms of magick I can only do slightly with intense focus.

Also, how could you doubt that my profile picture is me? Here is my youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/HeathenForFun There, me in moving video form.

The bolded pretty much describes me.

1) Satan speaks cleary in your head? I not a doctor but that sounds like you have a mental disorder, possibly related to your use of drugs.

2) I could your profile picture is you because I don't know you and didn't want to make an incorrect assumption before you said it was you. Awhile back several forum members had profile pcitures of girls in bikinis which were certainly not them. My profile picture doesn't depict me either.

3) Just to clarify, is 'magick' the actual name of your 'Satanic power' or are you just consistenly mis-spelling magic? (I'm inclined to believe the former as you've done it too many times for it to be a mistake).

1. I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I hear voices. It's a symptom. But the thing about schizophrenics, is they're just people who have access to othe realms of reality but don't have the power to exert control over it. I have however gained that power and do not consider myself schizophrenic anymore. I CHOOSE to see spirits and hear voices. They do not force themselves upon me. That is because the demons of hell are spirits of light that never force themselves upon anyone is my aura is strong enough to drive away spirits of death, darkness, and the wicked angels. I am sane, I can function in daily life, when christians speak tongues is it not delusional? But that's not seen as a mental disorder, neither should the fact that I can choose to hear voices, see spirits and auras. The fact that it's a choice for me and not something my brain does on it's own should mean I technically do not have a mental disorder. But the fact that I used to exert no control over it means I have schizophrenia apparently.

2) Fair enough

3) If you were hip to the whole wiccan/pagan/new age scene, you would know "magick" is used to refer to real witchcraft, and "magic" beans illusion like magicians do. Satanist did not invent the term "magick"



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TheEvilBanana said:


I don't derive anything from faith. I have no faith. I have no faith, not even in the website. It just the closest thing to truth I've found. I never claim it to be infallible like christians do with their bible. It's authors were human, they made mistakes most likely. I believe all reveiled to me and given and dictated through my Father Satan to me personally. The light Lucifer has brought upon my life are my proof, I have no faith.

Replace the word "Lucifer" and "Satan" with "god" and the bolded parts will be very similar to how christians talk about their faith.



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KungKras said:
TheEvilBanana said:
 


I don't derive anything from faith. I have no faith. I have no faith, not even in the website. It just the closest thing to truth I've found. I never claim it to be infallible like christians do with their bible. It's authors were human, they made mistakes most likely. I believe all reveiled to me and given and dictated through my Father Satan to me personally. The light Lucifer has brought upon my life are my proof, I have no faith.

Replace the word "Lucifer" and "Satan" with "god" and the bolded parts will be very similar to how christians talk about their faith.

But you ignored the part about how I don't believe my holy writings are infallible. Christian say what I say but they also believe in bible is infallible, if they don't they not reall christians.



KungKras said:
ninetailschris said:
KungKras said:
I find it interresting how alike the ramblings of OP and NolSinkler are.

I guess religions have similar argumentative techniques no matter how new or old they are.


How is a guy saying that everything is a conspicary ........compared to a guy actually quote against what a person is making out of thin air?

They both quote and parrot their respective religious doctrines. These doctrines are also the single context that they approach the discussion in.

The christians are gonna quote the bible and use it as authority, while the satanist guy is gonna repeat stuff he read on his satanist websites. They both derive and base their arguments from their sources of faith. The similarity is striking.

Read what you just wrote.

The situation is saying the bible says x and the guy responded with the quotes saying it doesn't. Please tell how quoting a satan site is the same as quoting the actual source.

The quoting of the bible as authority is based on what actually is being said and isn't same as quoting a random satan website on why it's true in which is the source of the discussion.

What you did was just group them because you wanted to discredit them because both not based on the actual argument but a personal view on religious people. I seen this enough to know where it's coming from. If we were to change this to any other discussion and it's the same.

Plus the discussion of conspicaries further prove the idea that there nothing comparable besides them just arguing.

Now I have to say your bias is pretty obvious at this point and are you going decline that this infact is not your reasoning?



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TheEvilBanana said:
KungKras said:
TheEvilBanana said:
 


I don't derive anything from faith. I have no faith. I have no faith, not even in the website. It just the closest thing to truth I've found. I never claim it to be infallible like christians do with their bible. It's authors were human, they made mistakes most likely. I believe all reveiled to me and given and dictated through my Father Satan to me personally. The light Lucifer has brought upon my life are my proof, I have no faith.

Replace the word "Lucifer" and "Satan" with "god" and the bolded parts will be very similar to how christians talk about their faith.

But you ignored the part about how I don't believe my holy writings are infallible. Christian say what I say but they also believe in bible is infallible, if they don't they not reall christians.

There are moderate christians that recognise that the bible was composed by romans of written accounts that were written after Jesus' death by order of emperor Augustus. What they usually say is that trying to get to jesus word, and his core message of love is what's important when reading the bible.



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