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What are you?

Atheist/Agnostic 64 50.00%
 
Christian 46 35.94%
 
Satanist 11 8.59%
 
After this thread not sure 7 5.47%
 
Total:128
TheEvilBanana on 18 November 2012
ninetailschris said:
TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Anyway to completely destroy your OP.

Both historians of theistic and atheistic believe Jesus was real. The dates you use is one side while there is evidence to support the idea they were written sooner than that.

Also, to believe that atheists solely believe in science, logic, and rational thoughts is naive.

And also believing christians don't believe in science, logic or rational thought just shows your ignorance

Maybe if you got a GED (If you don't yet have a High School diploma. I don't know your situation since you avoided the question so I'm starting off at the basics) and went to a university you would know this. Take a logic course or two because you claim to love it so much yet it's obvious you aren't skilled in it's discipline. Take an epistemological philosophy course. Those will go a long way in this sort of discussion for you next time.

Mainstream historiants of theistic and atheistic nature believe Jesus is real. You probably only study mainstream opinion. Most outspoken atheists ESPOUSE that they believe in science, logic and reason. Those are the people I am talking about. I  need to edit the thread to make that more clear.

REAL christians do not believe in science, logic or rational thoughts. Only the moderates.

All you have said is that my logic is invalid you have not proven it. Please prove that I am illogical when you say it.

You haven't even tried to destroy my OP. You barely adressed even a fraction of what I said.

Mainstream historiants of theistic and atheistic nature believe Jesus is real. You probabl only study mainstream opinion. Most outspoken atheists ESPOUSE that they believe in science, logic and reason. Those are the people I am talking about. I  need to edit the thread to make that more clear."

 

look out guys the atheist scholars are really trying to trick the atheist in believing Jesus existed because that would help them and there secret goal of helping the Christians. Oh did you know scientist are lying about not having the ability to care cancer because they are paid by the government to stop the masses of living longer. Btw did you know 9/11 was a inside job by the government to go war? Did you know satan runs the government but really is me trying to confuse people to not believe satan is running the government? 


It's not the atheist scholars, it's the Jews who a trying to trick the athests into believing Jesus existed. There is ways to cure yourself of cancer and people have done, look it up online, they're just not part of mainstream medicine. They aren't lying they are simply ignorant. 9/11 was an inside job but not neccisarily by the government, although they were involved. Satan does not run the government, he rules the world. There's a big difference.



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Kantor on 18 November 2012

I am not even going to try and make sense of most of the things you have posted, so:

I seem to remember you posting that you told a homeless guy you were the reincarnation of Caan or some such thing. Is that part of your Satanism or have you changed religion recently?



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NolSinkler on 18 November 2012

Dear Mr. Banana,

You claimed you have committed the unforgivable sin, I.E. blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Fortunately for you, it is said in 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

All unrighteousness. It does not say, "all unrighteousness, EXCEPT for blaspheming the Holy Spirit."

No, the unforgivable sin is a permanent and forever unrepentant rejection and denial of the Holy Spirit. The sacrifice made by God for humanity, a sacrifice made out of love for us, is more than sufficient for all of our sins.

Besides, "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation"

In danger is the key. They are in danger of eternal damnation. They shall not receive eternal damnation, though, if they obtain forgiveness for their sin. And we know from 1 John 1:9 that if we confess our sins, he will purify us from ALL unrighteousness.

Now that it is established that you have not committed the unforgivable sin, and thus, can still be forgiven, let me establish that you are indeed evil. This is a claim that you dispute.

"If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:10.

Very easy. You have sinned. If you say you have not, you say God is a liar and that the word of God is not in you. Since you seem to imply all of these things, this one verse seems to accurately describe you.

But so what? So what if you've sinned? Big deal. You've committed one sin in your life.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (James 2:10)

Oh dear. So it seems that you've broken the entire law. Justly, then, you deserve punishment. For if you uphold the entire law, you have earned nothing, but have only fulfilled what is expected of you, and should not expect special treatment; if you break the law, you deserve punishment, for the law is made for sinners, not for the righteous. I speak as a man.

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18)

Well, there's your way out. Believing on Jesus. You will not be condemned if you believe on Jesus. There it is. Very plain. Very simple.

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44)

You are speaking even now the lies of Satan. There is no truth in you. You are believing, affirming, and spreading a lie. You are destroying the beauty of God's creation. But your father is the devil. If only you could be born again, with God as your father! Then you might even do His will. Wait...

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:5-6).

Nobody will enter into the kingdom of God unless he is born again. But how are you born again?

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." (1 John 5:4)

Indeed. So then to have faith is to be born of God. Then you will overcome the temptations of this world. If you will have faith in the Word of God, in Jesus Christ, then you will overcome the world; and if you have overcome the world, you have been born of God. Simple stuff.

You are not damned. Jesus loves you. God loves you. You have believed lies. Through faith, you can again affirm the Truth and overcome the world. You may obtain forgiveness, which is freely given to you, not because of what you've done...but because of what God has done for you.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" (Ephesians 2:8)

God bless you. If you will open your ears to hear, then you will be changed by the power of the Word of God. If you will harden your heart, you will not.

"While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief." (Hebrews 3:15-19)

Do not fall prey to the deceitfulness of sin. Today, if you will hear his voice, harden not your heart.



TheEvilBanana on 18 November 2012
cusman said:

Many more choices than the 3 you list for how people of the world now and historically have self-categorized.

Most of what you describe as Satanism correlates very strongly with Hinduism described to me specifically with regard to cycles of reincarnation and ultimate spiritual goal should you choose is to basically become whole with the ONE again or something like that. It does involve cleansing your Karmic bad acts over multitude of life cycles if you incurred a heavy debt in a past life before you can elavate into Nivana. I am sure I am misquoting many articles of faith there... but the essense is very similar to what you describe as Satanism.

The clear distinction is that no one that has ever described their Hinduism to me has done so with so much disdain for any other religion as you do toward Christianity using words like disgusts and what not. What kind of God would blah blah blah. If you believe in spirtual basis of being good and cycles of reincarnation, you being responsible for your ascention should you even choose and aspire to it, and that being your goal... why do you taint yourself with negative feelings? Why do you presume what a God would be like or not? Why do you feel you need to bring more people into the fold of how you perceive the world instead of just being in exploratory mode raising debates for mutual learning? Why do you talk about praying to Satan and getting something out of it as being a reason for signing up? Don't Christians also get something good out of their devotion as well? Didn't religion and people exist long before the Sumerians.

I agree 100% that Age doesn't restrict you from having the clearest thoughts or understanding, but based on what you say and the negative tone you carry, you delude yourself at your young age to think you have learned all there is to learn about religious history and faiths that have permeated human history for eons to have come to such stern conclusions while you hypocritically mocking others for doing the same.

In the beginning everything was one, in the end everything will be one. It is the cycle of reality. We all reach the ultimate goal at the same time. Unlike the hindu and buddist religion, Satanism believes in balance, of negative and postive energy, hatred and love, happiness and sadness, creation and destruction. This was for raising debates for mutual learning, the problem is people like to argue in ways that make themself feel good, not ways that would cause exorbitant learning. I never think I have learned all there is to learn. There's ALWAYS more to learn in Satanism. There is many histories of many Gods and peoples stretching fron the beggining of infinity and it will go on until the end of infinity. There was a history even before Melek Ta'us, the bird that layed(metaphorically) the egg(big bang) that become the universe, existed. Then there the HUGE gap of time between when the egg hatched into the universe, and Melek Ta'us was reincarnated into Enki, lord of the earth. Plus, WE'RE JUST ONE PLANET. There's sextillions of planets, actually way more then that. We're not thhe only ones with life, their own Gods... There is always more to learn. New Gods are born in the spirit realm, new religions come to mankind, there's always more to learn, both about history and how it relates to all the various religions, the new ideas.



Chrizum on 18 November 2012
Player1x3 said:
Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.


Don't forget he fucked his own cousin and 2x older anonymous gay guy he met online, smoked acid, has multiple psychotic disorders  and became a tranvestite a few months back...

Hah. The guy is pretty entertaining I must give him that.



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TheEvilBanana on 18 November 2012
SecondWar said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.


Don't forget weed smoking! It makes any conspiracy argument really convincing.

This has been quite the entertaining read I must say, but I can't believe any point your trying to make. Quite a lot of what you say just confuses me, as others have said, it might be useful going back to school (also, stop smoking weed, its messing with your head).

Whilst trying to avoid being offensive, honestly his own admissions about himself and his profile picture (whether it is him or not) don't help him come across well in this. Studies music and arts, is a satanist and looks like a stereo-typical weed-smoking 'f*** the system' type of guy, with a vein of the hippie movment. Obviously not saying this is who he is as I don't know him it hard not to have your opnion of someone influenced when they have that sort of pciture.

Also this part of his OP is a typical 'my beliefs are right and yours are wrong' arguement.

"He speaks to me through diverse manners and tells me all the truths and lies. He gives me magickal powers that christians and their religion, which I believe to be false, never even promises or gives you. Anything I want comes to me without effort. When I pray he listens, considers what I want, and then gives me what I need, unlike the christian God who you pray to and absolutely nothing happens, and you look for the smallest things which could be considered "signs" that he answered your prayer, or atleast that's what I did when I tried being christian. How many time have you known christians, in real life or movies, to say "Give me a sign" then they take something small and insignificant as a sign when it's really just an irrelivant circumstance. When you ask Satan for a sign, you better believe you will get a sign, and you will know 100% that it is a sign from Satan directly to you."

So he prays and gets answer that are '100%' from Satan, wheras when Christians pray any 'sign' they receive is an irrelevant coinidence. Also not really sure if I can take people seriously when they claim to have magical powers. 

No. When I pray Satan speaks clearly in my head. Unlike the christian God I can actually have a conversation with Satan. I do have magickal powers, mine are not very progressed though, except for exerting control over people and tantra/sexual magic, that's what I'm good at, other forms of magick I can only do slightly with intense focus.

Also, how could you doubt that my profile picture is me? Here is my youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/HeathenForFun There, me in moving video form.

The bolded pretty much describes me.



TheEvilBanana on 18 November 2012
KungKras said:
TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:
TheEvilBanana said:

Grammar is useless, as long as people can understand what you say, silly useless rules do not matter. My post does not prove your point. Your post proves my point, that you are closed minded and only care about useless things such as age, grammar, and level of education. People can still go through years of college and be stupider then a 12 year old. They might know more about certain subjects, but they are less intelligent.

You are a very immature person. "This post have proven my point. Thank you for the timely discussions" This line shows much arrogance. You are a very arrogant and biased person, please leave my thread or actually try to have a logical discussions.

Please explain to my why age matters when the amount of knowledge you can learn is not limited by age. A 10 year old can know everything aa 50 year old knows and more, at least at an intellectual level, but not on an experience level. The difference between knowledge and wisdom, is that knowledge are things you know from studying, and wisdom is things you learn through experience. If you want to argue that people who are older have more wisdom then younger people, I would agree with you. But knowledge is not based upon age. Please prove me wrong with logical arguments instead of saying "Oh haha you post proves me right LOL you made a small grammar mistake so I AM RIGHT LOL I AM SO SMART". That's how you come off as to me.

I said I'VE MET CHILDREN SMARTER THEN YOU. Not that all children are smarter then you, can't you read? You have no idea the intelligence level of the children I have met. I've met kids so smart they would make ANY adult look dumb, not you specifically. But the fact that you put so little into your argument, just assume your right, don't really counter my points but instead point out a small grammar error on my part shows you truly do have a lack of intelligence.

By the way I'm in college for music and art. Eat that.


Level of education does not matter, the stuff they teach you in school besides math, english, and science, are invalid.

I meant to say BASIC math, english and science. Eventually english rules become useless. It does not matter if you use the right then/than, they're/their/there, spell things wrong, as long as people understand you. Math is pretty useless beyond addition, multiplication, division, subtraction, and fractions and percents. I could of stopped learning english and math in 6th grade and been just fine.

Unless you want to do science and engineering.


When I say useless I mean useless for me and normal people.



TheEvilBanana on 18 November 2012
Player1x3 said:
Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.


Don't forget he fucked his own cousin and 2x older anonymous gay guy he met online, smoked acid, has multiple psychotic disorders  and became a tranvestite a few months back...


I should not be judged for my sexually promiscuous teenage life, the fact that I used to do drugs besides weed, the fact that I have psychotic disorder, and especially not the fact that I'm a transvestite. Many people are sexually promiscuous as youth, and the statistics for people who have done something sexual with one of their cousins is very telling. Besides, I didn't fuck her, I licked her pussy, you didn't read the thread. You can't smoke acid, you take ir orally. I am on medications for my disorders.



TheEvilBanana on 18 November 2012
Kantor said:
I am not even going to try and make sense of most of the things you have posted, so:

I seem to remember you posting that you told a homeless guy you were the reincarnation of Caan or some such thing. Is that part of your Satanism or have you changed religion recently?

I am the reincarnation of the caananite moon God Jarah, but that thread was a joke besides that part...



Player1x3 on 18 November 2012
Chrizum said:
Player1x3 said:
Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.


Don't forget he fucked his own cousin and 2x older anonymous gay guy he met online, smoked acid, has multiple psychotic disorders  and became a tranvestite a few months back...

Hah. The guy is pretty entertaining I must give him that.

Oh and he also has real female boobs...the guy is a legend. Not that i wanna make fun of him or demean him, but it's pretty obvious he desperately wants some attention