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What are you?

Atheist/Agnostic 64 50.00%
 
Christian 46 35.94%
 
Satanist 11 8.59%
 
After this thread not sure 7 5.47%
 
Total:128

Many more choices than the 3 you list for how people of the world now and historically have self-categorized.

Most of what you describe as Satanism correlates very strongly with Hinduism described to me specifically with regard to cycles of reincarnation and ultimate spiritual goal should you choose is to basically become whole with the ONE again or something like that. It does involve cleansing your Karmic bad acts over multitude of life cycles if you incurred a heavy debt in a past life before you can elavate into Nivana. I am sure I am misquoting many articles of faith there... but the essense is very similar to what you describe as Satanism.

The clear distinction is that no one that has ever described their Hinduism to me has done so with so much disdain for any other religion as you do toward Christianity using words like disgusts and what not. What kind of God would blah blah blah. If you believe in spirtual basis of being good and cycles of reincarnation, you being responsible for your ascention should you even choose and aspire to it, and that being your goal... why do you taint yourself with negative feelings? Why do you presume what a God would be like or not? Why do you feel you need to bring more people into the fold of how you perceive the world instead of just being in exploratory mode raising debates for mutual learning? Why do you talk about praying to Satan and getting something out of it as being a reason for signing up? Don't Christians also get something good out of their devotion as well? Didn't religion and people exist long before the Sumerians.

I agree 100% that Age doesn't restrict you from having the clearest thoughts or understanding, but based on what you say and the negative tone you carry, you delude yourself at your young age to think you have learned all there is to learn about religious history and faiths that have permeated human history for eons to have come to such stern conclusions while you hypocritically mocking others for doing the same.



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"Anything I want comes to me without effort. When I pray he listens, considers what I want, and then gives me what I need,"

Cool. Ask him for a Köningstiger tank and post pics. Then I'll believe you. Until then, Oden is my god.



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Max King of the Wild said:

Anyway to completely destroy your OP.

Both historians of theistic and atheistic believe Jesus was real. The dates you use is one side while there is evidence to support the idea they were written sooner than that.

Also, to believe that atheists solely believe in science, logic, and rational thoughts is naive.

And also believing christians don't believe in science, logic or rational thought just shows your ignorance

Maybe if you got a GED (If you don't yet have a High School diploma. I don't know your situation since you avoided the question so I'm starting off at the basics) and went to a university you would know this. Take a logic course or two because you claim to love it so much yet it's obvious you aren't skilled in it's discipline. Take an epistemological philosophy course. Those will go a long way in this sort of discussion for you next time.


Win. Just win.



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TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:
TheEvilBanana said:

Grammar is useless, as long as people can understand what you say, silly useless rules do not matter. My post does not prove your point. Your post proves my point, that you are closed minded and only care about useless things such as age, grammar, and level of education. People can still go through years of college and be stupider then a 12 year old. They might know more about certain subjects, but they are less intelligent.

You are a very immature person. "This post have proven my point. Thank you for the timely discussions" This line shows much arrogance. You are a very arrogant and biased person, please leave my thread or actually try to have a logical discussions.

Please explain to my why age matters when the amount of knowledge you can learn is not limited by age. A 10 year old can know everything aa 50 year old knows and more, at least at an intellectual level, but not on an experience level. The difference between knowledge and wisdom, is that knowledge are things you know from studying, and wisdom is things you learn through experience. If you want to argue that people who are older have more wisdom then younger people, I would agree with you. But knowledge is not based upon age. Please prove me wrong with logical arguments instead of saying "Oh haha you post proves me right LOL you made a small grammar mistake so I AM RIGHT LOL I AM SO SMART". That's how you come off as to me.

I said I'VE MET CHILDREN SMARTER THEN YOU. Not that all children are smarter then you, can't you read? You have no idea the intelligence level of the children I have met. I've met kids so smart they would make ANY adult look dumb, not you specifically. But the fact that you put so little into your argument, just assume your right, don't really counter my points but instead point out a small grammar error on my part shows you truly do have a lack of intelligence.

By the way I'm in college for music and art. Eat that.


Level of education does not matter, the stuff they teach you in school besides math, english, and science, are invalid.

I meant to say BASIC math, english and science. Eventually english rules become useless. It does not matter if you use the right then/than, they're/their/there, spell things wrong, as long as people understand you. Math is pretty useless beyond addition, multiplication, division, subtraction, and fractions and percents. I could of stopped learning english and math in 6th grade and been just fine.

Unless you want to do science and engineering.



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TheEvilBanana said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Anyway to completely destroy your OP.

Both historians of theistic and atheistic believe Jesus was real. The dates you use is one side while there is evidence to support the idea they were written sooner than that.

Also, to believe that atheists solely believe in science, logic, and rational thoughts is naive.

And also believing christians don't believe in science, logic or rational thought just shows your ignorance

Maybe if you got a GED (If you don't yet have a High School diploma. I don't know your situation since you avoided the question so I'm starting off at the basics) and went to a university you would know this. Take a logic course or two because you claim to love it so much yet it's obvious you aren't skilled in it's discipline. Take an epistemological philosophy course. Those will go a long way in this sort of discussion for you next time.

Mainstream historiants of theistic and atheistic nature believe Jesus is real. You probably only study mainstream opinion. Most outspoken atheists ESPOUSE that they believe in science, logic and reason. Those are the people I am talking about. I  need to edit the thread to make that more clear.

REAL christians do not believe in science, logic or rational thoughts. Only the moderates.

All you have said is that my logic is invalid you have not proven it. Please prove that I am illogical when you say it.

You haven't even tried to destroy my OP. You barely adressed even a fraction of what I said.

Mainstream historiants of theistic and atheistic nature believe Jesus is real. You probabl only study mainstream opinion. Most outspoken atheists ESPOUSE that they believe in science, logic and reason. Those are the people I am talking about. I  need to edit the thread to make that more clear."

 

look out guys the atheist scholars are really trying to trick the atheist in believing Jesus existed because that would help them and there secret goal of helping the Christians. Oh did you know scientist are lying about not having the ability to care cancer because they are paid by the government to stop the masses of living longer. Btw did you know 9/11 was a inside job by the government to go war? Did you know satan runs the government but really is me trying to confuse people to not believe satan is running the government? 



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NolSinkler said:
I shall respond only briefly. I am afraid that the being you exalt, you have exalted in falsehood. For you see, Satan has only the power of lies. I speak to you the truth. Satan has no power. He has been defeated by the Lamb of God.

Of course this disgusts you. The precious blood of Christ was poured out for all mankind for the forgiveness and remission of sins. Simply put, God took all of your sins onto himself. But consider this, ye who have fallen so far from the Truth:

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31)

You are in danger of eternal hellfire. You think you shall save yourself from you own evil ways? Tell me, O man, how shall you overcome your karmic bonds if it was you who bound yourself up in them initially? For you have enslaved yourself to evil; and now, having sold yourself to sin, you think you will buy yourself back? But you are the one who got caught in the snare to begin with! The ways of evil are crafty, cunning; will you outsmart evil? But you have already fallen into evil, and so, what makes you think that you will overcome?

I say to you that you shall not. Consider this: if you continue to accumulate more and more evil deeds to your name, shall you not be reincarnated in much worse state than the one which you find yourself now? Shall you not eternally continue down the road of greater and greater evils? And you have no way out. You think you shall overcome your karmic bonds? Think again.

But I have great news for you! The Son of GOD, the one true GOD, has come for you. He has borne the punishment for all of your sins. He has taken what you cannot take, He has done away with what you cannot destroy. If you will let Jesus in, then the lies of Satan, the evil one, will find no place in your heart. You will be set free from evil and enslaved to righteousness. Tell me, you who are concerned with being a Christian slave - do you not realize that you are currently a slave to sin, destruction, and evil? And just as only corn can come from corn, only nettles from nettles, shall not only greater sin, destruction, and evil, proceed thence?

You are trapped. Justice shall be executed. Will you escape the righteous judgment of God, creator of both the heavens and earth? You know better. You have defiled God's glorious creation just like the rest of us. There is no way out unless God Himself will forgive you.

From my perspective, this is on the same level as the OP. I really can't see any distinction.



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Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.



  It has a lot to do with it. To accept this mindset, first of all you already need to be into eastern religions already to accept this, because Satanism shares many traits with eastern religions. I have always rebelled against western religion, and the idea that you need any God or can't save yourself. I've always found the idea that you need Jesus to take away your sins and you won't have to pay for your sins once he does is repulsive. No education? Please read the thread. Wild imagination? It's more then that, My third eye is open and can travel to the astral realm. I see spirits and hear voices.  The doctors call it schizo-effective disorder LOL and I am also diagnosed with psychotic disorder. So yes, I am the exact profile of someone who would be into something like this. I am also in a rock band, so I pretty much have to worship the devil, he imbues me with loads of talent and inspiration. But, the fact that I am a stereotype and the fact to I am schizo do not weigh upon the validity of my words. Besides, many people, spiritual people, who meet me say I'm an indigo child and say the doctors are crazy for calling me schizo. THE DOCTORS ARE CRAZY NOT ME, I'm SANE! HTRHJRYTHYRMTJYflarghfghlgflhflglfzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



ArnoldRimmer said:
I find this thread quite interesting, for I've always wondered what satanism is about but never really looked it up.

But after reading, I have to say what you describe sounds like a kind of protest/rebellion/provocation religion, modeled to be something like an antithesis/opposite to the common mainstream religion while actually not really diverting much from the original concept. Like someone who believes in god but who has a problem with the mainstream religion of the people around him, considering it too common, boring, old-fashioned and restrictive. To me it sounds like assigning the same old god a new cool name and slightly different attributes.

I would guess that many people who believe in this do not feel really accepted by the society they're living in, probably people who are also dressing in an uncommon way that is meant to communicate "I'm sooo different from you, I don't belong to you and I don't want to be like you, I'm special". Probably a lot of rebellious teenagers who feel misunderstood.

NO. THIS IS NOT A FUCKING PROTEST. THIS IS NOT A REBELLION OR REACTION TO CHRISTIANITY.

Please read the front page www.JoyOfSatan.com

It is not a protext, rebellion, or provovation religion. It is based upon a God that predates the christian God. His name is Enki, the serpent in the garden of Eden. In the original story he WAS A GOD, NOT A SNAKE. OUR GOD IS *VERY* different then the "same old God' ours is an OLDER, WISER, NONCREATED GOD. He is the reincarnation of Melek Ta'us, the bird who layed the egg of the universe(metaphor, the egg is the big bang). He is also the son of mother nature. I feel very accepted by society. Do you know how I act in normal day to day life? I'm a normal person, well accepted, well liked. I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TELL PEOPLE THIS STUFF IN REAL LIFE. I do dress uncommon though, because dressing without flair and glamour sucks. I dress like a rockstar, goth, emo, or homosexual. Usually combinations of all of those. Just like the look. I'm not doing it to go against the herd for the sake of going against the herd. I'm doing it because when I catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror I like to go "Oh hey you sexy well dressed beast, let's fuck hard, you and me right now, let's do it. Hard. All night. All day." Yep. That's what's up.



KungKras said:

"Anything I want comes to me without effort. When I pray he listens, considers what I want, and then gives me what I need,"

Cool. Ask him for a Köningstiger tank and post pics. Then I'll believe you. Until then, Oden is my god.


Odin is part of our pantheon LOL. Also, I do not NEED a tank. I do not WANT a tank. So I will be getting no tank, sorry.



Chrizum said:

Yeah, you being a 20-year old alternative rebel kid with no education and a wild imagination has nothing to do with this satanism of yours.


Don't forget he fucked his own cousin and 2x older anonymous gay guy he met online, smoked acid, has multiple psychotic disorders  and became a tranvestite a few months back...