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Player2 said:
teigaga said:
Player2 said:

Pachter said that Nintendo, “Should not have made a new console on last generation technology.”

It worked so bad last time...

Why is this guy everywhere? His predictions are almost always wrong. Someday I'm going to find his face in a cereal box...


“Should not have made a new console on last generation technology.” He further added, that the Wii U’s gamepad and new control scheme is not intuitive or innovated enough to capture the masses like its predecessor the Wii did.

Patchers is really level headed analyst and he normally speak alot of sense. More often then not people just refuse to acknowledge the logic in his arguement (like above). The Wii U will do fine but does anyone actually think that the Wii U pad has anywhere near the selling power of the orginal wii mote??


The control scheme in the Wii U is a DS with the top screen replaced with a TV. Personally I've never heard people saying that the DS was not intuitive.

Innovated enough? Well, that was easy to say. Nobody has innovated so much like Nintendo did last gen in the last 20 years. It was very unlikely that they were going to innovate this gen more than the last one, they aren't magicians after all.

Not innovative enough for it sell the system on its own. I think its apples and oranges when comparing it to 2004's DS, better yet the DS was not a big success until it recieved games like nintendogs and brain training. Those same titles no longer carry any weight in the industry. Do you personally think the Wii U's pad is going to appeal to the casual gamers, and do you not think that its lack of power will limit its appeal to the more core audience?



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Aside for the tablet controller not being as innovative as motion controls everything else is:



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There are a few points he made though. I agree that the tablet is nowhere near as innovative as motion controls six years back. In fact it's quite the opposite since touch based technology is overdone. But I do think the tablet might turn out to be intuitive to the general audience if used correctly. May not be as intuitive as motion though.

As for the comment on Wii U running on last gen technology, we'll just have to wait until the console launches and someone tears it apart. Also I don't see why Nintendo can't release its GB/GBC/GBA game catalogue on Android/IOS as Pachter said. I know tons of people who use emulators, but releasing these games would make them obscene amounts of money and generate interest for newer entries on their current handhelds. Sony does it with their Playstation Suite.



 

Pachter is that kid that nobody liked in school that grew up and found a job where he can vocalize his bitterness to spite those of school age as a means to make himself feel better.

Actually, I think he was just a retail analyst that gave a few opinions many years ago about the video game industry and our video game media freaked the fuck out because some adult with a couple of degrees on his wall was paying attention to us. Didn't matter what he was saying (because he was wrong even then), it just made us feel like our industry was finally important.

So he's been 'in demand' every since....and still wrong.



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teigaga said:
Player2 said:
teigaga said:
Player2 said:

Pachter said that Nintendo, “Should not have made a new console on last generation technology.”

It worked so bad last time...

Why is this guy everywhere? His predictions are almost always wrong. Someday I'm going to find his face in a cereal box...


“Should not have made a new console on last generation technology.” He further added, that the Wii U’s gamepad and new control scheme is not intuitive or innovated enough to capture the masses like its predecessor the Wii did.

Patchers is really level headed analyst and he normally speak alot of sense. More often then not people just refuse to acknowledge the logic in his arguement (like above). The Wii U will do fine but does anyone actually think that the Wii U pad has anywhere near the selling power of the orginal wii mote??


The control scheme in the Wii U is a DS with the top screen replaced with a TV. Personally I've never heard people saying that the DS was not intuitive.

Innovated enough? Well, that was easy to say. Nobody has innovated so much like Nintendo did last gen in the last 20 years. It was very unlikely that they were going to innovate this gen more than the last one, they aren't magicians after all.

Not innovative enough for it sell the system on its own. I think its apples and oranges when comparing it to 2004's DS, better yet the DS was not a big success until it recieved games like nintendogs and brain training. Those same titles no longer carry any weight in the industry. Do you personally think the Wii U's pad is going to appeal to the casual gamers, and do you not think that its lack of power will limit its appeal to the more core audience?

I'm comparing the control scheme of the Wii U with the DS to dismantle his "Wii U's control scheme isn't intuitive" argument, nothing more. But if you want to talk about 2004, the Wii U is getting the sequel of a 26M seller on day 1, unlike the DS. If that can't sell systems I don't know what can.

Games sell systems, not power. The most powerful console never won a gen. Those core gamers bought the PS1 and the PS2 despite being less powerful than the competition.



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The WiiU is not last gen technology, is modern tech with low power, very different thing



Player2 said:
teigaga said:
Player2 said:
teigaga said:
Player2 said:

Pachter said that Nintendo, “Should not have made a new console on last generation technology.”

It worked so bad last time...

Why is this guy everywhere? His predictions are almost always wrong. Someday I'm going to find his face in a cereal box...


“Should not have made a new console on last generation technology.” He further added, that the Wii U’s gamepad and new control scheme is not intuitive or innovated enough to capture the masses like its predecessor the Wii did.

Patchers is really level headed analyst and he normally speak alot of sense. More often then not people just refuse to acknowledge the logic in his arguement (like above). The Wii U will do fine but does anyone actually think that the Wii U pad has anywhere near the selling power of the orginal wii mote??


The control scheme in the Wii U is a DS with the top screen replaced with a TV. Personally I've never heard people saying that the DS was not intuitive.

Innovated enough? Well, that was easy to say. Nobody has innovated so much like Nintendo did last gen in the last 20 years. It was very unlikely that they were going to innovate this gen more than the last one, they aren't magicians after all.

Not innovative enough for it sell the system on its own. I think its apples and oranges when comparing it to 2004's DS, better yet the DS was not a big success until it recieved games like nintendogs and brain training. Those same titles no longer carry any weight in the industry. Do you personally think the Wii U's pad is going to appeal to the casual gamers, and do you not think that its lack of power will limit its appeal to the more core audience?

I'm comparing the control scheme of the Wii U with the DS to dismantle his "Wii U's control scheme isn't intuitive" argument, nothing more. But if you want to talk about 2004, the Wii U is getting the sequel of a 26M seller on day 1, unlike the DS. If that can't sell systems I don't know what can.

Games sell systems, not power. The most powerful console never won a gen. Those core gamers bought the PS1 and the PS2 despite being less powerful than the competition.


Except for the SNES and don't even bring the Jaguar, Neo Geo or CDi those were never real competition like the Genesis was.



Rafux said:
Player2 said:

I'm comparing the control scheme of the Wii U with the DS to dismantle his "Wii U's control scheme isn't intuitive" argument, nothing more. But if you want to talk about 2004, the Wii U is getting the sequel of a 26M seller on day 1, unlike the DS. If that can't sell systems I don't know what can.

Games sell systems, not power. The most powerful console never won a gen. Those core gamers bought the PS1 and the PS2 despite being less powerful than the competition.


Except for the SNES and don't even bring the Jaguar, Neo Geo or CDi those were never real competition like the Genesis was.

The Genesis had a more powerful CPU but the SNES had a more capable graphics subsystem.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Viper1 said:
Rafux said:
Player2 said:

I'm comparing the control scheme of the Wii U with the DS to dismantle his "Wii U's control scheme isn't intuitive" argument, nothing more. But if you want to talk about 2004, the Wii U is getting the sequel of a 26M seller on day 1, unlike the DS. If that can't sell systems I don't know what can.

Games sell systems, not power. The most powerful console never won a gen. Those core gamers bought the PS1 and the PS2 despite being less powerful than the competition.


Except for the SNES and don't even bring the Jaguar, Neo Geo or CDi those were never real competition like the Genesis was.

The Genesis had a more powerful CPU but the SNES had a more capable graphics subsystem.

I think we can all agree SNES was superior, its games looked and sounded better.



RolStoppable said:
Viper1 said:
Rafux said:

Except for the SNES and don't even bring the Jaguar, Neo Geo or CDi those were never real competition like the Genesis was.

The Genesis had a more powerful CPU but the SNES had a more capable graphics subsystem.

And the SNES produced better graphics, so it was the more powerful system.

Where's your correction that the Neo Geo shouldn't be considered, because it was never meant to sell to the massmarket? Where's your correction that the Jaguar and CD-i belong to the fifth generation? You are slacking off.

I actually planned on saying more but was needed so I wrapped up the post.   Usually I leave it alone to finish later but had no idea when I'd get back online.    All of 5 minutes later.



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