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michael_stutzer on 27 October 2012
rocketpig said:
selnor said:

None of that is rellavant right now. In 12 months great, but that will be a dual for Ipad 5 or 6 against whatevers on the market then.

Android devices don't support Flash anymore, either. It's a dying platform for web use.

I'm a web developer. It's what I get paid to do. Apple did us all a favor by taking a hardline on Flash and preventing it from being installed on iOS devices. It sped up HTML5 adoption by at least a year, probably two.

It takes approximately 30 seconds to side-load Flash on Android devices. It works with any version. Though I agree that Flash is irrevelant at this point. 



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rocketpig on 27 October 2012
selnor said:

RT is priced and designed to compete against the IPAD. Which it does more.

Pro is for those who waited for tablets to do desktop everyday tasks.

Eiter way theres no clouding of the issue, and if anyting the IPAD is now made to look extremely overpriced.

In the future, the Surface may very well do more than the iPad. Right now (and in the foreseeable future), the opposite is true. The iPad does far more at this point than the Surface.

The iPad is expensive, not overpriced. The iPad 4 is going to annihilate every other tablet spec-wise, all for the same price (or similar). Most full-sized Android tablets start around $450. The Surface is $500. Compare the A6X processor, the Retina display, and the general form factor of the iPad to anything on the market and it makes the iPad look cheap by comparison.

If the iPad is overpriced, everything else on the market is ridiculously overpriced. Of course, I expect Google to change that soon with the Nexus 10 but that hasn't released yet...




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selnor on 27 October 2012
rocketpig said:
selnor said:

RT is priced and designed to compete against the IPAD. Which it does more.

Pro is for those who waited for tablets to do desktop everyday tasks.

Eiter way theres no clouding of the issue, and if anyting the IPAD is now made to look extremely overpriced.

In the future, the Surface may very well do more than the iPad. Right now (and in the foreseeable future), the opposite is true. The iPad does far more at this point than the Surface.

The iPad is expensive, not overpriced. The iPad 4 is going to annihilate every other tablet spec-wise, all for the same price (or similar). Most full-sized Android tablets start around $450. The Surface is $500. Compare the A6X processor, the Retina display, and the general form factor of the iPad to anything on the market and it makes the iPad look cheap by comparison.

If the iPad is overpriced, everything else on the market is ridiculously overpriced. Of course, I expect Google to change that soon with the Nexus 10 but that hasn't released yet...

I'm curious to understand what the Ipad does more now? Certainly reviews dont think so. The only thing is app store which to be honest the reviewers were made to look silly as on launch day as the windows marketplace trippled in 1 day. 

Your stating some specs in there which is fair enough if that matters to you more than its functions. But as far as form factor, So far although a nice A5x processor, cant do true multitasking and lost in 3/4 tests for efficiency and speed to Surface RT.



rocketpig on 27 October 2012
selnor said:

I'm curious to understand what the Ipad does more now? Certainly reviews dont think so. The only thing is app store which to be honest the reviewers were made to look silly as on launch day as the windows marketplace trippled in 1 day. 

Your stating some specs in there which is fair enough if that matters to you more than its functions. But as far as form factor, So far although a nice A5x processor, cant do true multitasking and lost in 3/4 tests for efficiency and speed to Surface RT.

The App Store is all the iPad needs. It's the most well-formed, fully-stocked store platform on the market by a country mile. What more do you need to know about it?

The A5X and the A6X have virtually nothing in common. While the iPad 3 specced decently against the competition, the iPad 4 is going to be a fucking monster while also being very battery-efficient. Right now, Apple's ARM chips are the best processors on the market. Apple just changed the game by short-shrifting the iPad 3's life cycle. Now everybody has to play catch-up and the Surface isn't running the hardware to do it and it doesn't have the software to compensate. The only competitor at this point will be the much-rumored Nexus 10.




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famousringo on 27 October 2012
smbu2000 said:
selnor said:
I think on a screen 720p that Surface RT does is more than enough.

But more importantly, Ipad still has the same browser issues, still no Keyboard/cover attachment and no true multitasking.
Windows RT offers the real full internet wheres IPAD 4 still only uses the mobile website stuff. Lots of videos for example dont play on an Ipad 4.

No USB is also an annoying issue.

These things matter alot more than a few better specs. Stuff that really changes what a tablet is.

Is not having a keyboard/cover that big a deal? I use the Smart Cover on my iPad all the time. When I'd like to type something up I have a small Bluetooth keyboard that I use. It works for all of my bluetooth devices as well, including my phone. I guess if you really want the keyboard to attach on you can get something like the Logitech ultra thin keyboard. 

The only videos that don't play are flash ones afaik. Still waiting on the YouTube iPad app from google (the old,not very good, app was axed in ios6), but that shouldn't take too long. You can always use the iPhone app for now or just watch videos from the YouTube website directly so it's not a problem.


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@ Rocketpig

You're not going to get through to Selnor. If the surface came with fuzzy raccoon ears he'd be bragging about how no other tablet on the market had fuzzy raccoon ears, and until they do, the Surface will be the best tablet ever for detecting the sound of garbage cans falling over.



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davygee on 27 October 2012
selnor said:
davygee said:
I think we are clouding the issue here. Most people that use tablets will only want video, games, web browsing and email. And I personally don't know anyone that has a tablet that has an external keyboard attachment. Although the Surface looks nice it's completely held back by major factors; it's price, the cutdown RT version of Windows 8 and the fact that the keyboard cover costs another £100 which is absolutely shocking.

Anyway, from what I'm hearing, Windows RT is extremely limited with regards to software and will only play scaled up Windows Phone software, so you can forget normal PC Windows-based games.

I dont really understand what your trying to say.

You say Windows RT is overpriced. Yet its directly made to compete with the IPAD. It is priced exactly the same, yet as more functionality. It was never designed to use normal Legacy X86 apps. That is why the Pro exists.

My point is the following.

For exactly the same price as the IPAD 4, you can get a device that does more.

If you want a tablet that gives you a full Desktop experience also you can spend more money and get a Pro.

RT is priced and designed to compete against the IPAD. Which it does more.

Pro is for those who waited for tablets to do desktop everyday tasks.

Eiter way theres no clouding of the issue, and if anyting the IPAD is now made to look extremely overpriced.

 

Firstly I was stating that I reckon the majority of tablet users only want a tablet for email, web, video and games. Yes there will be a proportion that wants a tablet for more, but it will be a minority.

The Windows RT version of Surface is very modestly specced. A low resolution screen, low resolution cameras, a Tegra 3 processor, the same as the Nexus 7 with poor to reasonable graphics capability compared to the iPad.

The Windows 8 Pro version of Surface is a totally different kettle of fish. But it's likely to be nearly double the price.



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the2real4mafol on 27 October 2012

I bet apple only released iPad 4 now to try to take some sales from the surface tablet, that's it. But i won't common on Android's alternatives to these until they are announced on Monday



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