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davygee on 25 October 2012
famousringo said:
I see the surprise bump to fourth gen iPad as an admission of two things:

1. Apple really wishes that it had the A6 ready for the third gen iPad, but they didn't, so they designed the A5X as a stopgap until they could design an SoC that would drive four times the pixels with the same performance as the A5 drives 1024 x 768. Now the iPad can run games at full rez without dropping frames or effects (though God I wish developers would let it scale if their game already has a choppy framerate) compared to iPad 2.

2. It's going to be at least nine more months until IGZO displays will be ready and suitable for the iPad, which is the only way the size and weight of the device is going to substantially change.

The competition? I expect Amazon and Google will keep burning cash in the hope that it will turn into profit somewhere down the line, while I think MS may succeed in satisfying the most demanding users. I suspect the users Microsoft attracts with Windows on tablets will be somewhat smaller than the users it will lose to the competition, though.

RE Point 1. I totally agree. Everyone was expecting an A6 in the iPad 3 until the last minute and then realised that the A6 wasn't ready, hence the over clocked A5 turning it into an A5x. But unfortunately the performance was a letdown, and it was noticed that the iPad 2 was performing better at 1024x768 than the iPad 3 at the full Retina resolution.  I would assume that the A6x chip has significantly resolved that seeing as. Will see a 4 times boost in CPU and GPU compared to the A5.

I hope that the annual model rotation has now moved to September/October each year for the iPad and iPad mini. This should give them enough time to implement the new Sharp screens with lower energy consumption hence smaller batteries and effectively a thin and light iPad.

Monday will be interesting, especially if Google release a Super HD Nexus 10 and it's likely to be at a decent price, although I wonder what CPU/GPU they will use and will they up the camera count and spec of camera?



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

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Lafiel on 26 October 2012
davygee said:
famousringo said:
I see the surprise bump to fourth gen iPad as an admission of two things:

1. Apple really wishes that it had the A6 ready for the third gen iPad, but they didn't, so they designed the A5X as a stopgap until they could design an SoC that would drive four times the pixels with the same performance as the A5 drives 1024 x 768. Now the iPad can run games at full rez without dropping frames or effects (though God I wish developers would let it scale if their game already has a choppy framerate) compared to iPad 2.

2. It's going to be at least nine more months until IGZO displays will be ready and suitable for the iPad, which is the only way the size and weight of the device is going to substantially change.

The competition? I expect Amazon and Google will keep burning cash in the hope that it will turn into profit somewhere down the line, while I think MS may succeed in satisfying the most demanding users. I suspect the users Microsoft attracts with Windows on tablets will be somewhat smaller than the users it will lose to the competition, though.

RE Point 1. I totally agree. Everyone was expecting an A6 in the iPad 3 until the last minute and then realised that the A6 wasn't ready, hence the over clocked A5 turning it into an A5x. But unfortunately the performance was a letdown, and it was noticed that the iPad 2 was performing better at 1024x768 than the iPad 3 at the full Retina resolution.  I would assume that the A6x chip has significantly resolved that seeing as. Will see a 4 times boost in CPU and GPU compared to the A5.

I hope that the annual model rotation has now moved to September/October each year for the iPad and iPad mini. This should give them enough time to implement the new Sharp screens with lower energy consumption hence smaller batteries and effectively a thin and light iPad.

Monday will be interesting, especially if Google release a Super HD Nexus 10 and it's likely to be at a decent price, although I wonder what CPU/GPU they will use and will they up the camera count and spec of camera?

I think the Snapdragon S4 pro quad-core/Adreno 320 combination looks likely. I don't really understand the need for better camera specs in a tablet though as it's a bit awkward to take pictures with it, especially with a ~10'' device.



davygee on 26 October 2012
Lafiel said:
davygee said:
famousringo said:
I see the surprise bump to fourth gen iPad as an admission of two things:

1. Apple really wishes that it had the A6 ready for the third gen iPad, but they didn't, so they designed the A5X as a stopgap until they could design an SoC that would drive four times the pixels with the same performance as the A5 drives 1024 x 768. Now the iPad can run games at full rez without dropping frames or effects (though God I wish developers would let it scale if their game already has a choppy framerate) compared to iPad 2.

2. It's going to be at least nine more months until IGZO displays will be ready and suitable for the iPad, which is the only way the size and weight of the device is going to substantially change.

The competition? I expect Amazon and Google will keep burning cash in the hope that it will turn into profit somewhere down the line, while I think MS may succeed in satisfying the most demanding users. I suspect the users Microsoft attracts with Windows on tablets will be somewhat smaller than the users it will lose to the competition, though.

RE Point 1. I totally agree. Everyone was expecting an A6 in the iPad 3 until the last minute and then realised that the A6 wasn't ready, hence the over clocked A5 turning it into an A5x. But unfortunately the performance was a letdown, and it was noticed that the iPad 2 was performing better at 1024x768 than the iPad 3 at the full Retina resolution.  I would assume that the A6x chip has significantly resolved that seeing as. Will see a 4 times boost in CPU and GPU compared to the A5.

I hope that the annual model rotation has now moved to September/October each year for the iPad and iPad mini. This should give them enough time to implement the new Sharp screens with lower energy consumption hence smaller batteries and effectively a thin and light iPad.

Monday will be interesting, especially if Google release a Super HD Nexus 10 and it's likely to be at a decent price, although I wonder what CPU/GPU they will use and will they up the camera count and spec of camera?

I think the Snapdragon S4 pro quad-core/Adreno 320 combination looks likely. I don't really understand the need for better camera specs in a tablet though as it's a bit awkward to take pictures with it, especially with a ~10'' device.


I agree to a certain extent about cameras, but surely 1080p video should be a standard?



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

rocketpig on 26 October 2012
disolitude said:

It really isn't important and it has never been that important until Apple said so. All these 1000 dollar ultrabooks and laptops run 1366x768 on 13 inch screens and no one really complains about them. Only when it comes to tablets suddenly it matters.

You need to have a good pannel, good viewing angles first and foremost. At 10.6 inches and 1366x768 the ppi of the surface is higher than a 15.6 laptop running 1080p. This is a very high end device. by laptop standards, and Surface is a trying to be a laptop as much it is a tablet. 

Many of us have been clamoring for higher pixel density monitors from the moment LCDs became the standard in computing. It may not matter to you but it certainly matters to me and all you have to do is pick up an iPad (or any other "retina" device such as the Nexus 7) to see that the difference is startling. Reading on a high resolution device is soooooo much better than a standard resolution device. Eye strain is lessened. Images are clearer. Text is MUCH clearer (MS has offset some of this with their display tech but it'd still be better with a higher resolution).

This is not to say that the Surface has a bad display; I don't believe that to be the case at all. But to claim that resolution doesn't matter is just silly, especially in tablets. The closer a device comes to your face, the higher the resolution needs to be to keep up. That's why I can deal with a 135ppi laptop monitor but put me in front of a 135ppi tablet (such as the iPad 2) and reading on the thing becomes a chore. The laptop monitor sits over a foot further away from my face. It doesn't need to be the same resolution as a tablet, just as a tablet does not need to carry the same pixel density as a phone. That doesn't mean I don't want a higher resolution laptop, though... It simply means it's not as important.

Plus, high resolution devices enter us into the world of resolution independence... A very good thing.




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selnor on 26 October 2012

I think on a screen 720p that Surface RT does is more than enough.

But more importantly, Ipad still has the same browser issues, still no Keyboard/cover attachment and no true multitasking.
Windows RT offers the real full internet wheres IPAD 4 still only uses the mobile website stuff. Lots of videos for example dont play on an Ipad 4.

No USB is also an annoying issue.

These things matter alot more than a few better specs. Stuff that really changes what a tablet is.



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rocketpig on 26 October 2012
selnor said:

Windows RT offers the real full internet wheres IPAD 4 still only uses the mobile website stuff. Lots of videos for example dont play on an Ipad 4.

LOL. "Real full internet"? The iPad has a fully functioning browser. The only thing it's missing is Flash (and verrrrrry few video sites use Flash anymore and that number continues to drop by the day). Flash is no longer supported on Android devices, either.

And we should all be thanking Apple for speeding up Flash's demise by 3-4 years by pushing HTML5 and blocking Flash from iOS. It did the world a favor with that move. 




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selnor on 26 October 2012
rocketpig said:
selnor said:

Windows RT offers the real full internet wheres IPAD 4 still only uses the mobile website stuff. Lots of videos for example dont play on an Ipad 4.

LOL. "Full internet"? The iPad has a fully functioning browser. The only thing it's missing is Flash (and verrrrrry few video sites use Flash anymore and that number continues to drop by the day).

And we should all be thanking Apple for speeding up Flash's demise by 3-4 years by pushing HTML5 and blocking Flash from iOS. It did the world a favor with that move. 


I use the Ipad 3 as my friend got one on Montly internet subscription. We regularly get sorry not available on this device. Alot.



rocketpig on 26 October 2012
selnor said:

I use the Ipad 3 as my friend got one on Montly internet subscription. We regularly get sorry not available on this device. Alot.

That's Flash. And its use is dropping by the day as HTML5 adoption speeds up. And who can we thank for the quick adoption of HTML5?

That's right, Apple. They made the Internet better by quickly adopting HTML5 and forcing developers to stop using Flash.




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selnor on 26 October 2012
rocketpig said:
selnor said:

I use the Ipad 3 as my friend got one on Montly internet subscription. We regularly get sorry not available on this device. Alot.

That's Flash. And its use is dropping by the day as HTML5 adoption speeds up. And who can we thank for the quick adoption of HTML5?

That's right, Apple. They made the Internet better by quickly adopting HTML5 and forcing developers to stop using Flash.


None of that is rellavant right now. In 12 months great, but that will be a dual for Ipad 5 or 6 against whatevers on the market then.



rocketpig on 26 October 2012
selnor said:

None of that is rellavant right now. In 12 months great, but that will be a dual for Ipad 5 or 6 against whatevers on the market then.

Android devices don't support Flash anymore, either. It's a dying platform for web use.

I'm a web developer. It's what I get paid to do. Apple did us all a favor by taking a hardline on Flash and preventing it from being installed on iOS devices. It sped up HTML5 adoption by at least a year, probably two.




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