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Nintendo can't afford to sell it at a loss now, unless they plan to make it back with the software.



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Andrespetmonkey said:
F0X said:
green_sky said:

My inside sources tell me that they have their top alchemist working on it. Also those alchemist are not paid that well. 


It's completely possible. Sony doesn't have a problem with losing $200 or so on each system sold.

The only time they took a loss that big on each system was with the PS3, and they won't be repeating that mistake. Sony can put out a significantly more powerful system than the Wii U for a similar price, taking a small loss.


Yes, but I don't see it being 3x the power (as originally suggested) and hitting the $399 price point. 2x the power, absolutely.



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10 cents per WiiU loss?



I suspect one reason why the Wii U costs so much is Nintendo's insistence on such a small casing and low power draw.

Probably requires a lot of customization and specific speciality parts. My guess is most of their R&D is actually spent on making sure the console is small too, lol. I hope it's worth it to them. 

They likely could have had a more powerful console for the same price if they were willing to compromise on that or embrace a model whereby they release smaller/more power efficient models over time.



F0X said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
F0X said:
green_sky said:

My inside sources tell me that they have their top alchemist working on it. Also those alchemist are not paid that well. 


It's completely possible. Sony doesn't have a problem with losing $200 or so on each system sold.

The only time they took a loss that big on each system was with the PS3, and they won't be repeating that mistake. Sony can put out a significantly more powerful system than the Wii U for a similar price, taking a small loss.


Yes, but I don't see it being 3x the power (as originally suggested) and hitting the $399 price point. 2x the power, absolutely.

Well you also have to consider the price of WiiU's Gamepad, which will sell for around $150 or so, standalone. It's definitely very, very pricey.

If Sony simply releases PS4 with a standard Dualshock controller, they won't have to spend a fortune on a Gamepad-like controller: money they can use for other purposes (like increasing the system's power). Right?



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F0X said:
green_sky said:
Galaki said:
DanneSandin said:
Damn! That's a first for Nintendo!!! Just another evidence that PS4 won't be much stronger than WiiU

People believe Sony can make a console at least 3x stronger than the WiiU at the same price.

I believe them.

My inside sources tell me that they have their top alchemist working on it. Also those alchemist are not paid that well. 


It's completely possible. Sony doesn't have a problem with losing $200 or so on each system sold.


Yeah that would be complete suicide for Sony, as the Vita is still unprofitable and probably still selling at a loss http://www.videogamer.com/news/analyst_sony_to_sell_2_5_million_ps_vita_by_april_2012.html  .   With it's current financial situation I do presume Sony (for their sake) that they have learned their lesson.  The Wii U selling at a small loss for the time being; could be seen as a good thing.  This probably means that the hardware is sophisticated enough to inflict a loss despite selling for $350. 



Cheebee said:
F0X said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
F0X said:
green_sky said:

My inside sources tell me that they have their top alchemist working on it. Also those alchemist are not paid that well. 


It's completely possible. Sony doesn't have a problem with losing $200 or so on each system sold.

The only time they took a loss that big on each system was with the PS3, and they won't be repeating that mistake. Sony can put out a significantly more powerful system than the Wii U for a similar price, taking a small loss.


Yes, but I don't see it being 3x the power (as originally suggested) and hitting the $399 price point. 2x the power, absolutely.

Well you also have to consider the price of WiiU's Gamepad, which will sell for around $150 or so, standalone. It's definitely very, very pricey.

If Sony simply releases PS4 with a standard Dualshock controller, they won't have to spend a fortune on a Gamepad-like controller: money they can use for other purposes (like increasing the system's power). Right?

Consider it considered. It's most likely the reason why Nintendo is taking a loss on the Wii U to begin with. However, we are talking about a massive increase in power in a limited timeframe. No matter how it's sliced, I don't see a situation where the PS4 can hit $399, have Sony take a small loss, and have it be that much more powerful. 5x the power of PS3 is as far as i'd venture to guess. Still, I admit this is without me knowing when Sony plans to release the console. A lot could change by 2014, for sure.



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MDMAlliance said:
Looking at the Wii U and what people are predicting what Sony and Microsoft will do with their next gen consoles, I am curious as what would be in store for us the generation after Wii U. It is quite evident by console history that power is not everything. By the time it is the next generation for consoles, maybe we will see ourselves out of a recession? Think we might see more systems like the Ouya popping up? Will iOS gaming (app gaming and whatever) really replace the handheld dedicated gaming consoles?
The Wii U, regardless of all this positive/negative news, is a system I am still interested in and am planning on getting.


Power is becoming increasingly important these days. Look at what happened to the Wii.

Consoles needs A LOT more power so they can really distance themselves from those free iOS games. It's the only way $60 retail boxed games can continue to lead the industry. I dread a day where free games like Angry Birds or Temple Run dominate the gaming industry.



oni-link said:
F0X said:
green_sky said:
Galaki said:
DanneSandin said:
Damn! That's a first for Nintendo!!! Just another evidence that PS4 won't be much stronger than WiiU

People believe Sony can make a console at least 3x stronger than the WiiU at the same price.

I believe them.

My inside sources tell me that they have their top alchemist working on it. Also those alchemist are not paid that well. 


It's completely possible. Sony doesn't have a problem with losing $200 or so on each system sold.


Yeah that would be complete suicide for Sony, as the Vita is still unprofitable and probably still selling at a loss http://www.videogamer.com/news/analyst_sony_to_sell_2_5_million_ps_vita_by_april_2012.html  .   With it's current financial situation I do presume Sony (for their sake) that they have learned their lesson.  The Wii U selling at a small loss for the time being; could be seen as a good thing.  This probably means that the hardware is sophisticated enough to inflict a loss despite selling for $350. 

Mobile technology moves extremely fast. Vita will be profitable within a year.(if not less)

The hardware is sophisticated. Small, power efficient and it works together. If by "sophisticated" you mean super powerful then you are wrong. Any sort of loss Nintendo is making is extremely small.(it won't break the bank)



Thats interesting. I never saw this coming to be honest. Nintendo of the past few years has not been the sort who would take losses on their console. Interesting to see what direction they are going to take next gen. Do they continue to push the envelope and take the fight a little bit more to SONY and MS, or do they play it cool and keep moving only in their current direction. That is what remains to be seen



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