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DanneSandin on 24 October 2012
Mazty said:
DanneSandin said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
HoloDust said:
Really bad article - that said, I do think Microsoft most likely "wins" next-gen (probably best hardware, large "core" user base, 3rd party love, subscription based model, Kinect as default, SmartGlass....). Still prefer Sony as gaming company, but I think Microsoft is pulling all the right business decisions.

I have a question, and this is for you or for anyone with a better understanding than I. How will some of these business decisions affect the industry in general? I know some analysts predict that console owners will eventually migrate to the PC. Now I don't know if this is going to happen, but will Microsoft's decisions make it more likely or less likely? I imagine things like SmartGlass, digital sales, and subscription fees will move consoles and PCs closer than ever before. But again, I'm no expert.

I guess what I'm getting at is this: will Microsoft win the next generation, but damage the console market in the process?

What do you think, HoloDust?

I've never understood why console gamers would migrate to PC... Let me ask you this: where would you rather watch a nice movie; in (on?) a chair infront of the PC, or on your couch? I know I much rather slouch in my couch than sitting infron of my PC, never quite finding a comfortable position...


1) For FPS' the mouse and keyboard are better

2) Graphics and load times are far better on PC

3) Modding capability

4)I actually can and do use my pc as a console. Steam big picture + motion joy + TV = PS3 wireless pad and dark souls on TV. 

5) I have a comfortable PC seat. 

1) I'm currently playing Batman AA on PC right now. Not liking the controllers too much. Yes, FPS' might be better with a mouse and keyboard (as is also the case for strategy games), but the bulk of games are better played on consoles imo.

2) None of those issues are too important to me. I can still play 8-bit games and enjoy them. And considering that Wii sold shit loads and the success of Angry Birds and other ios titles is an indication that graphics is the end all be all...

3) Not too interested in that, and neither does the majority of gamers seem to be. Skyrim is a prefect exemple of this; as far as I know (I'm not all-knowing though) it's sold more on PS360 than on PC.

4) I use my PC to surf the internet, and hooking it up as a console would mean that either me or my gf would have to give up the telly... So that's not too smart for a lot of gamers.

5) Lucky you =) I have a comfy couch.



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DanneSandin on 24 October 2012
sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.That's why it's quite a shitty article :p





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CCFanboy on 24 October 2012

There is more truth to this article then people think. Microsoft are only in the position they are because of mistakes sony made. The head start partly helped but it was due to sony having the completely wrong mindset with ps3.

Robbie Bach himself said it. 360 would never had gotten through if sony had not made these mistakes.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117247-Former-Microsoft-Exec-Credits-Sony-For-Xbox-Success



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

DanneSandin on 24 October 2012
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.


Adjusted for the release date and it's the worst selling HD console...

Thats Sony fan propaganda....because we dont live in an alternate universe where they launched at the same time. That argument has been shut down year after year. You gotta take 2nd place the hard way....lifetime

Dude, thats reality, not propoganda...It shows the xbox has had the weaker sales of all the 3 consoles.  Unless you want to show a lack of understanding ecomoics. 

But luckily we go by lifetime sales.

Says who? Only people who fail to understand economics would do such a thing. Plus either way with current sales, the PS3 will still overtake the xbox sales, even with the xbox having the lead. So your determination to skew the results are going to end up fruitless either way. 

Says corporate fiscal reports of lifetime shipments and vgchartz main page. Total sold. You logic cant say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360". It would have to say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360....in the same timeframe". Thats just a nice way of saying "you came late to the party but its okay". 

It will happen eventually, but the idea is that by the time it does happen, all 3 next gen consoles will be out and it would essentially be a hollow victory.

Your confirming to me that many Sony fans would love to regress to their very genetics of praising sales. You have worshipped sales for 2 generations so its my theory your just ITCHING to play that card again. But for now, you get your fix referring to "comparative timeline sales". :P

I'm kinda with sales2099 on this one. Using that PS3 vs Xbox360 argument you could also say that Nintendo DS sold waaaay better than PS2. They are quite close sales wise and DS have been out far shorter than PS2, meaning it actually sold better. But that's bullshit. PS2 sold better lifetime



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DanneSandin on 24 October 2012
Soundwave said:

I do think (somewhat sadly) that MS is going to win the next gen cycle.

Nintendo doesn't have the same blue ocean appeal going for them this time and they just don't seem as on top of their game.

Sony can't afford to go toe-to-toe with MS for too long IMO. MS is simply going to outspend them on hardware, marketing, and exclusives. Whatever it takes to win.

I agree; MS got enough money to make a monster console, sell it at a loss and marekt the shit out if it!! Time for Sony and Nintendo to join forces!!! And also secure exclusice SEGA content ;)



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DanneSandin on 24 October 2012
VGKing said:
DanneSandin said:
This is clearly a fan boy article. Just read this again: "This is the first generation Sony has entered without winning in sales figures. With that said, Nintendo has “won” this generation (SALES WISE) and Microsoft and Sony fall 30-35 million units behind."

The writer clearly has something against the Wii. Wii won HW wise, AND money wise. I think it's apparent that the writer isn't considering Wii as the "true" winner. But anywho. He isn't either giving a reason as to why he think x3ox will win next gen. Or did I miss something?

This is a godawful piece of shit.


He said the Wii won sales wise.(number of units sold)

Are you okay?

I made alist somewhere in this thread where I dwell deeper in my thoughts of this article ^^ just to lazy to find it and hand it over ;)



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Adinnieken on 24 October 2012
kowenicki said:
badgenome said:
How the fuck did Microsoft "lose" this gen?


Give it 18 months and that will be the mantra on here concerning this gen.

Forget the previous 6 years, forget the change gen on gen, forget the financials.  MS will have lost, Sony will be masters and Ninty irrelevant. It's how we roll here fella....

Reality isn't important. 

A Microsoft Xbox console could sell every multi-platform game 5:1 over the competition, out sell any hardware competitor 2:1 every month for 10 years consecutively world-wide, and there would still be people who claim it lost.  It also wouldn't matter what site you go to, regardless of the site, there would be some on it that would deny it.



Adinnieken on 24 October 2012
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
badgenome said:
How the fuck did Microsoft "lose" this gen?


1. HD-DVD was being pushed by Microsoft, lost to Blu-Ray.

2. RROD cost Microsoft over $1 Billion.

3. The Xbox 360 sold less than the Wii

1. MS backed it but didn't invent it. That is a meaningless claim.

2. Sony lost far more money then MS did this gen.

3. You could say it was the best selling HD console.

4 .  Microsoft also increased significantly its market share.  Sony lost nearly 50% of its market share. 

Actually, the fact that both Nintendo and Microsoft gained market share over Sony was a huge win for both of them.  Fundamentally, that makes Sony the loser this generation, even if they end up outselling Microsoft.  They still will have lost so much market share between  console generations that no matter how you slice it, they're at the bottom this gen.



cookingyourmama on 24 October 2012
kowenicki said:
badgenome said:
How the fuck did Microsoft "lose" this gen?


Give it 18 months and that will be the mantra on here concerning this gen.

Forget the previous 6 years, forget the change gen on gen, forget the financials.  MS will have lost, Sony will be masters and Ninty irrelevant. It's how we roll here fella....

Reality isn't important. 

Oh wow you are absolutely hilarious, you are a massive Microsoft 'fan', you constantly post biased and pro Microsoft things on this forum, you downplay Sony and bash them and yet you actually genuinely believe that you are impartial and what you say is just the 'truth' or 'reality'. Even funnier than that you think there is some conspiracy on this website where it is 'dominated' by Sony fans and they post 'propaganda' to try and make Sony look good when in (your) 'reality' they are terrible. You also still spout your own propaganda that the numbers on this site are wrong because 'obviously' the 360 numbers should be higher and the PS3 numbers should be lower it's just everybody's too 'stupid' or 'biased' to see it *rollseyes*. You ignore most things that aren't great for the 360 and highlight nearly everything that's bad for the PS3 and to top it off you're in denial that the PS3 is going to overtake the 360 and you downplay that eventual achievement as well, it's very sad.

Just in your above post you fail to mention that the 360 came out a year to a year and a half earlier but yet the PS3 has sold more in the same time frame. You ignore the big price difference and people having to buy new 360's because their old ones died. (and before you say it yes i know the extra emergency warranty Microsoft introduced covers some of those but in reality there are many people who are now out of warranty and beyond that there are many more stupid people who didn't even know about the warranty and just went out and brought another one or who were too impatient/lazy to wait several weeks for it to be fixed and went out and brought a new one and threw away the old one). You highlight gen to gen change when it was almost impossible for Sony outsell the ps2, the best selling console of all time and at the same time as that it was almost impossible for Microsoft to not outsell the original Xbox, one of the worst selling consoles of all time. And sure enough you finish it off with the final predictable comment about financials even tho this is a website that mainly tracks hardware and game sales, not financial income. Your 'reality' is very clear.



Mazty on 25 October 2012
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.


Adjusted for the release date and it's the worst selling HD console...

Thats Sony fan propaganda....because we dont live in an alternate universe where they launched at the same time. That argument has been shut down year after year. You gotta take 2nd place the hard way....lifetime

Dude, thats reality, not propoganda...It shows the xbox has had the weaker sales of all the 3 consoles.  Unless you want to show a lack of understanding ecomoics. 

But luckily we go by lifetime sales.

Says who? Only people who fail to understand economics would do such a thing. Plus either way with current sales, the PS3 will still overtake the xbox sales, even with the xbox having the lead. So your determination to skew the results are going to end up fruitless either way. 

Says corporate fiscal reports of lifetime shipments and vgchartz main page. Total sold. You logic cant say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360". It would have to say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360....in the same timeframe". Thats just a nice way of saying "you came late to the party but its okay". 

It will happen eventually, but the idea is that by the time it does happen, all 3 next gen consoles will be out and it would essentially be a hollow victory.

Your confirming to me that many Sony fans would love to regress to their very genetics of praising sales. You have worshipped sales for 2 generations so its my theory your just ITCHING to play that card again. But for now, you get your fix referring to "comparative timeline sales". :P

Lifetime shipments work though by how long the item has been on the market. Logic fail. VGChartz home page isn't any sort of authority either. 

The PS3 has had a better rate of sales when launch date is adjusted, fact. It shows the PS3 is a more popular console as it has sold better, albeit having a release a year later. 

Wow. How much are you in denial? "Oh let's pretend we don't need to adjust start dates". "Oh it'd be a hollow victory". Or you mean you can't stand the notion of seeing the xbox sales be beaten by the "evil" competition. Back to reality plz and while you're at it, learn a bit about business as you obviously don't know anything about it but are making wild, and incorrect, presumtions about how sales are monitored.