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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 25 October 2012
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.


Adjusted for the release date and it's the worst selling HD console...

Thats Sony fan propaganda....because we dont live in an alternate universe where they launched at the same time. That argument has been shut down year after year. You gotta take 2nd place the hard way....lifetime

Dude, thats reality, not propoganda...It shows the xbox has had the weaker sales of all the 3 consoles.  Unless you want to show a lack of understanding ecomoics. 

But luckily we go by lifetime sales.

Says who? Only people who fail to understand economics would do such a thing. Plus either way with current sales, the PS3 will still overtake the xbox sales, even with the xbox having the lead. So your determination to skew the results are going to end up fruitless either way. 

Says corporate fiscal reports of lifetime shipments and vgchartz main page. Total sold. You logic cant say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360". It would have to say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360....in the same timeframe". Thats just a nice way of saying "you came late to the party but its okay". 

It will happen eventually, but the idea is that by the time it does happen, all 3 next gen consoles will be out and it would essentially be a hollow victory.

Your confirming to me that many Sony fans would love to regress to their very genetics of praising sales. You have worshipped sales for 2 generations so its my theory your just ITCHING to play that card again. But for now, you get your fix referring to "comparative timeline sales". :P

Lifetime shipments work though by how long the item has been on the market. Logic fail. VGChartz home page isn't any sort of authority either. 

The PS3 has had a better rate of sales when launch date is adjusted, fact. It shows the PS3 is a more popular console as it has sold better, albeit having a release a year later. 

Wow. How much are you in denial? "Oh let's pretend we don't need to adjust start dates". "Oh it'd be a hollow victory". Or you mean you can't stand the notion of seeing the xbox sales be beaten by the "evil" competition. Back to reality plz and while you're at it, learn a bit about business as you obviously don't know anything about it but are making wild, and incorrect, presumtions about how sales are monitored. 

You seem to also forget about market shares dude. 



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gigaSheik on 25 October 2012

How exactly going from 24 million XBox to 70 million XBox 360 is losing? From my point of view they have increased their market share. Since Microsoft and Nintendo are gaining market share I guess we all know who's losing market and mind share.



yo_john117 on 25 October 2012
spurgeonryan said:
Am I the only one who agrees with this article 100 percent?

No, I do as well. I see no reason why anyone would lable this as a piece of garbage because it's pretty much right on. Besides his questionable use of quotations and some of the wording there is nothing wrong with this article.



Mazty on 25 October 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.


Adjusted for the release date and it's the worst selling HD console...

Thats Sony fan propaganda....because we dont live in an alternate universe where they launched at the same time. That argument has been shut down year after year. You gotta take 2nd place the hard way....lifetime

Dude, thats reality, not propoganda...It shows the xbox has had the weaker sales of all the 3 consoles.  Unless you want to show a lack of understanding ecomoics. 

But luckily we go by lifetime sales.

Says who? Only people who fail to understand economics would do such a thing. Plus either way with current sales, the PS3 will still overtake the xbox sales, even with the xbox having the lead. So your determination to skew the results are going to end up fruitless either way. 

Says corporate fiscal reports of lifetime shipments and vgchartz main page. Total sold. You logic cant say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360". It would have to say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360....in the same timeframe". Thats just a nice way of saying "you came late to the party but its okay". 

It will happen eventually, but the idea is that by the time it does happen, all 3 next gen consoles will be out and it would essentially be a hollow victory.

Your confirming to me that many Sony fans would love to regress to their very genetics of praising sales. You have worshipped sales for 2 generations so its my theory your just ITCHING to play that card again. But for now, you get your fix referring to "comparative timeline sales". :P

Lifetime shipments work though by how long the item has been on the market. Logic fail. VGChartz home page isn't any sort of authority either. 

The PS3 has had a better rate of sales when launch date is adjusted, fact. It shows the PS3 is a more popular console as it has sold better, albeit having a release a year later. 

Wow. How much are you in denial? "Oh let's pretend we don't need to adjust start dates". "Oh it'd be a hollow victory". Or you mean you can't stand the notion of seeing the xbox sales be beaten by the "evil" competition. Back to reality plz and while you're at it, learn a bit about business as you obviously don't know anything about it but are making wild, and incorrect, presumtions about how sales are monitored. 

You seem to also forget about market shares dude. 


You mean the consitently decling share that predicts them losing place to Sony in about a year? Also you would look at adjusted market share - economists aren't naive and pretend that market release doest not exist.



Cheebee on 25 October 2012

I like how he all but ignores Nintendo and Wii in that article.



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 25 October 2012
Mazty said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:
Lifetime shipments work though by how long the item has been on the market. Logic fail. VGChartz home page isn't any sort of authority either. 

The PS3 has had a better rate of sales when launch date is adjusted, fact. It shows the PS3 is a more popular console as it has sold better, albeit having a release a year later. 

Wow. How much are you in denial? "Oh let's pretend we don't need to adjust start dates". "Oh it'd be a hollow victory". Or you mean you can't stand the notion of seeing the xbox sales be beaten by the "evil" competition. Back to reality plz and while you're at it, learn a bit about business as you obviously don't know anything about it but are making wild, and incorrect, presumtions about how sales are monitored. 

You seem to also forget about market shares dude. 


You mean the consitently decling share that predicts them losing place to Sony in about a year? Also you would look at adjusted market share - economists aren't naive and pretend that market release doest not exist.

No I mean the loss of Playstations market share of almost 50% in gen over gen cycles. 



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Mazty on 25 October 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:
Lifetime shipments work though by how long the item has been on the market. Logic fail. VGChartz home page isn't any sort of authority either. 

The PS3 has had a better rate of sales when launch date is adjusted, fact. It shows the PS3 is a more popular console as it has sold better, albeit having a release a year later. 

Wow. How much are you in denial? "Oh let's pretend we don't need to adjust start dates". "Oh it'd be a hollow victory". Or you mean you can't stand the notion of seeing the xbox sales be beaten by the "evil" competition. Back to reality plz and while you're at it, learn a bit about business as you obviously don't know anything about it but are making wild, and incorrect, presumtions about how sales are monitored. 

You seem to also forget about market shares dude. 


You mean the consitently decling share that predicts them losing place to Sony in about a year? Also you would look at adjusted market share - economists aren't naive and pretend that market release doest not exist.

No I mean the loss of Playstations market share of almost 50% in gen over gen cycles. 


True, but in an evolving market, you can't just compare yester-years market to the current day, like the market for horses and bayonets...



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 25 October 2012
Mazty said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:
Lifetime shipments work though by how long the item has been on the market. Logic fail. VGChartz home page isn't any sort of authority either. 

The PS3 has had a better rate of sales when launch date is adjusted, fact. It shows the PS3 is a more popular console as it has sold better, albeit having a release a year later. 

Wow. How much are you in denial? "Oh let's pretend we don't need to adjust start dates". "Oh it'd be a hollow victory". Or you mean you can't stand the notion of seeing the xbox sales be beaten by the "evil" competition. Back to reality plz and while you're at it, learn a bit about business as you obviously don't know anything about it but are making wild, and incorrect, presumtions about how sales are monitored. 

You seem to also forget about market shares dude. 


You mean the consitently decling share that predicts them losing place to Sony in about a year? Also you would look at adjusted market share - economists aren't naive and pretend that market release doest not exist.

No I mean the loss of Playstations market share of almost 50% in gen over gen cycles. 


True, but in an evolving market, you can't just compare yester-years market to the current day, like the market for horses and bayonets...

ahh clever. Obama or romney?



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Mazty on 25 October 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:

True, but in an evolving market, you can't just compare yester-years market to the current day, like the market for horses and bayonets...

ahh clever. Obama or romney?


I thought it was as well :p

Obama. He's not perfect, but I could never trust someone who lies and flip-flops between ideology  as easily as Romney.



sales2099 on 25 October 2012
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.


Adjusted for the release date and it's the worst selling HD console...

Thats Sony fan propaganda....because we dont live in an alternate universe where they launched at the same time. That argument has been shut down year after year. You gotta take 2nd place the hard way....lifetime

Dude, thats reality, not propoganda...It shows the xbox has had the weaker sales of all the 3 consoles.  Unless you want to show a lack of understanding ecomoics. 

But luckily we go by lifetime sales.

Says who? Only people who fail to understand economics would do such a thing. Plus either way with current sales, the PS3 will still overtake the xbox sales, even with the xbox having the lead. So your determination to skew the results are going to end up fruitless either way. 

Says corporate fiscal reports of lifetime shipments and vgchartz main page. Total sold. You logic cant say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360". It would have to say "PS3 sold more consoles then Xbox 360....in the same timeframe". Thats just a nice way of saying "you came late to the party but its okay". 

It will happen eventually, but the idea is that by the time it does happen, all 3 next gen consoles will be out and it would essentially be a hollow victory.

Your confirming to me that many Sony fans would love to regress to their very genetics of praising sales. You have worshipped sales for 2 generations so its my theory your just ITCHING to play that card again. But for now, you get your fix referring to "comparative timeline sales". :P

Lifetime shipments work though by how long the item has been on the market. Logic fail. VGChartz home page isn't any sort of authority either. 

The PS3 has had a better rate of sales when launch date is adjusted, fact. It shows the PS3 is a more popular console as it has sold better, albeit having a release a year later. 

Wow. How much are you in denial? "Oh let's pretend we don't need to adjust start dates". "Oh it'd be a hollow victory". Or you mean you can't stand the notion of seeing the xbox sales be beaten by the "evil" competition. Back to reality plz and while you're at it, learn a bit about business as you obviously don't know anything about it but are making wild, and incorrect, presumtions about how sales are monitored. 

Sales is totally a genetic thing with you people :P

Using your logic, DS outsold the PS2. But its a consencus that PS2 is the winner because it has more lifetime sales. Learn the trends of the gaming industry, as lifetime is always how we operated. You cant sit there and tell me PS3 sold more then 360 lifetime. Sony was late to the party and paid the price, and your totally spinning that to satisfy your primal sales urges.

And it would be a hollow victory in every sense of the definition. Even if PS3 overtakes, it still lost a ton of marketshare where as Xbox increased theirs. It would have done it after the current gen was over, 7+ years, after the spotlight was taken off. By the time it happens I will be personally cheering on the next Xbox getting a head start on PS4. People like you will claim victory with PS3 and Ill laugh and say "But hows PS4 doing now?". Hollow.



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