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DanneSandin said:

I've never understood why console gamers would migrate to PC... Let me ask you this: where would you rather watch a nice movie; in (on?) a chair infront of the PC, or on your couch? I know I much rather slouch in my couch than sitting infron of my PC, never quite finding a comfortable position...


We won't see a mass migration of console gamers to PCs. Consoles are dedicated devices, and are simpler to use. Put the disc and play. Unfortinately, gaming on PC isn't that simple. I know that a lot of people here will disagree, but we are users with more technical knowledge. An average user doesn't have idea what a good GPU is (or even what a GPU does) and thing like "update video driver" are completely cryptic things.

If there is something that Apple proved with the iPad is that people prefer to pay more for an easier to use device.

 

sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.

2nd place is "lose". There is no prize for the loser of the World Cup final, there is just one winner. But MS improved a lot their market position and it surelly helps if they wan't to win next gen.



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
HoloDust said:

Well, I'm no expert myself, so I'm pretty uncertain of what next 6-7 years are bringing us - I don't think most console users will migrate to PC, but I think it's possible we'll see some shifts. I think Microsoft is going for double hit in that period, both in console market and on PC - their is good article on Gamasutra about similarities of shift from DOS to Windows and shift from Win desktop applications to Windows Store apps in the future (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/179420/). This means (when gaming is concerned) they are going after Steam in long run (and I guess Valve will have their counter-measure ready). I really can't wait to see if and how much Win8 and NextBox are connected, but I sense Xbox 720 will be just one of the parts in Microsoft's Next-Gen entertainment platform. That said, I'll probably keep doing what I usually do, enjoy the show, get PS for Sony's exclusives and PC for everything else.

Thanks for you response :)

I think your last sentence speaks to the idea that consoles and PCs may merge sooner or later. I own all three seventh generation consoles, and love them all. But to be honest the most expendable one is Xbox 360, only because most of its high-profile games are available elsewhere, on PS3 and PC. If I lose my Wii, I lose Super Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pikmin, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, F-Zero, Donkey Kong, etc. If I lose my PS3, I lose Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Killzone, God of War, Ratchet & Clank, etc. If I lose my Xbox 360, I mostly lose Halo and Gears of War, and also Forza and Fable, but not much else.

So if Xbox 720 becomes even more like a PC, including a high price tag, and a PC offers almost everything an Xbox offers plus other applications and utility, won't fans eventually notice the similarities and jump ship?

We still don't know what exactly the next Xbox will be, so maybe my question is moot.

Well, I mostly agree with you - out of 3, 360 does seem like most expandable for me too, considering it has least critical exclusives, and most of other 3rd party stuff is either on PC or PS3 (actually I care only for Fable and somewhat Halo - same thing with Ninty, Mario Kart and Zelda). It's easy choice for me though, being mostly computer gamer for better part of my life and having consoles as suplement and not main diet. But I think this gen proved that, although most of 3rd party games were also released on PC, there is more than enough people out there who either prefer console gaming (and console exclusives), or don't want to wait for time-delayed PC releases or just don't want (or don't know how) to mess with PCs, and honestly, I don't see that changing too much in next-gen. Fact is that Xbox brand have managed to attract lot of those people, and I can very easily see Microsoft repeating (and surpassing) that success again (for the reasons stated earlier). One way or the other, I think it will be very interesting generation.



badgenome said:
Mazty said:
badgenome said:
How the fuck did Microsoft "lose" this gen?


Supported HD-DVD & adjusted sales are the lowest (had a 1 year headstart against sony). Plus by backing HD-DVD, it looks like their next conosle will be using bluray - paying the competition for access to their media. Ouch. 

They only have to pay royalties if they use it for movie playback, right? Anyway, with physical media in decline, I don't think this matters at all. If this is an argument that Microsoft lost, then it is also an argument that Sony won. Talk about a pyrrhic victory...

Nope - as Sony helped develop it and make the discs, I think they will have to pay royalties for it's use in general. Even without royalties, they are still putting money in the competitions pocket by having to buy bluray discs. 

Internet is not nearly widespread enough to think that physical media can be gotten rid of for consoles. Most countries don't have stable or fast enough speeds to warrent no physical media. Why exactly has such a victory hurt Sony? Their console sold better then the xbox when adjusted for release date and they secured the next-gen media...What both companies need to work on is improving their utterly lackluster catalogue of games that are watered down, HD renditions of last-gen, otherwise gamers will simply not bother with games and find something else to kill time with. 



sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.


Adjusted for the release date and it's the worst selling HD console...



Mazty said:

Why exactly has such a victory hurt Sony?

Because they lost all the PS1/PS2 profits, and then some.

Microsoft, on the other hand, has people paying a subscription fee to host their own games. They are geniuses. I don't think they care about an install base pissing contest.



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DanneSandin said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
HoloDust said:
Really bad article - that said, I do think Microsoft most likely "wins" next-gen (probably best hardware, large "core" user base, 3rd party love, subscription based model, Kinect as default, SmartGlass....). Still prefer Sony as gaming company, but I think Microsoft is pulling all the right business decisions.

I have a question, and this is for you or for anyone with a better understanding than I. How will some of these business decisions affect the industry in general? I know some analysts predict that console owners will eventually migrate to the PC. Now I don't know if this is going to happen, but will Microsoft's decisions make it more likely or less likely? I imagine things like SmartGlass, digital sales, and subscription fees will move consoles and PCs closer than ever before. But again, I'm no expert.

I guess what I'm getting at is this: will Microsoft win the next generation, but damage the console market in the process?

What do you think, HoloDust?

I've never understood why console gamers would migrate to PC... Let me ask you this: where would you rather watch a nice movie; in (on?) a chair infront of the PC, or on your couch? I know I much rather slouch in my couch than sitting infron of my PC, never quite finding a comfortable position...


1) For FPS' the mouse and keyboard are better

2) Graphics and load times are far better on PC

3) Modding capability

4)I actually can and do use my pc as a console. Steam big picture + motion joy + TV = PS3 wireless pad and dark souls on TV. 

5) I have a comfortable PC seat. 



badgenome said:
Mazty said:

Why exactly has such a victory hurt Sony?

Because they lost all the PS1/PS2 profits, and then some.


Links? Sony losing money isn't the same as the PS3/bluray being destructive just incase that's your trail of thought. 



Mazty said:

Links? Sony losing money isn't the same as the PS3/bluray being destructive just incase that's your trail of thought. 

I'm not saying that, exactly. Just that Blu-ray is no DVD, and Microsoft doesn't give one shit about HD-DVD losing.

Edit: Guess it was just the PS2 profits. Sony's okay!



Grow their brand.
Sell a lot of hardware and software.
Get a lot of third party support.
Obtain a lot of money from Live.

And they lost. Riiiight.



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Mazty said:
sales2099 said:
MS didn't lose....well 2nd place isnt last. But gen over gen the Xbox brand just seems to be going up. You could say its the best selling HD console.

Article didn't explain how next gen would turn out lol. But I imagine MS momentum will keep going strong.


Adjusted for the release date and it's the worst selling HD console...

Thats Sony fan propaganda....because we dont live in an alternate universe where they launched at the same time. That argument has been shut down year after year. You gotta take 2nd place the hard way....lifetime



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