http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-zynga-revenue-net-income-2011-7

Nope. You see how clever their PR is to make you believe that?

Buying PSO2 etc. and then playing for free is not free to play LOL.

What is this mysterious swapnote you talk about? (I actually know it I just wanted to show that Europe does not have swapnote for 3ds!!!! WHY NINTENDO!??!)

Who said it had to be bought first? I'm going off of this: http://www.joystiq.com/2012/09/26/phantasy-star-online-2-is-free-to-play-on-vita/

It wouldn't be free-to-play if you had to buy it.  It's a free download from the Playstation Store.  For free.  Free.

(There is a retail option for the PC if you want the option, apparently)

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/9/26/3414328/phantasy-star-online-2-ps-vita-free-to-play-cross-platform-pc

That article you linked is crap, btw. It doesn't say anything, no details, nothing. Just a mention they check in with Microsoft serveral times and aparently had similar responses from Sony and Nintendo. It sounds more likely that Crytek's demands are more than what they are willing to accept or maybe they just don't agree with the F2P format they are using. Either way Nintendo is in that boat too. So far Sony is the most open F2P console as it has plenty of F2P games.

Is your whole argument hinging on this article?  Because it says multiple times in it that Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have been reluctant to embrace the F2P model, which was in June.  Your interview with Reggie seems to indicate Nintendo must have changed their mind about this, which is great.  Equally, Sony or Microsoft could have changed their minds too.  At least Sony have a fair few examples of embracing F2P under their belt.

Once we see some positive action from Nintendo towards F2P, then it'll be a different story.  Even in that interview with Reggie he seems to skirt around the issue, talking about 'all business models' rather than F2P specifically, and pointing out that there may be flaws in the model.  

I understand what you're getting at about this being a bigger play for Nintendo if they embrace it better, but right now there's just two conflicting viewpoints on whether they are in fact embracing it or not.  We'd need to see some action first, in my opinion :P

Umm I have Swapnote here in Germany and so do all my friends.

Oh shit for whatever reason I confused swapnote with the "app" that lets you draw animated animes etc. 

He is actually pointing out that there are flaws in the ways developers have been creating F2P games, not flaws in the F2P model itself. Unless he mentions it elsewhere and I didn't see.

You are right that the article states Nintendo as well as the other two. My idea is that if Nintendo has changed their philosophy and opens up Wii U as an open platform for F2P gaming, it could be a huge deal. But no one seems to be caring at all about this potential selling point, even Nintendo themselves. It's weird.

I would imagine that whoever really opens up to F2P gaming is really going to change the console market in a very disruptive way - I could be wrong, but who knows. To me, it seemed like Nintendo might be first to do that based on Reggie's interview. Hence, the thread.

You could be right, I guess we'll have to wait and see.  What I thought it sounded more like is that Nintendo will embrace mostly anything on the platform, which will probably see PS3-levels of F2P support.  Some nice titles here and there (and maybe more if the market grows), but nothing earth-shattering.

Perhaps I'm wrong though!