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Jumpin said:
bananaking21 said:
every time i hear "hardcore gamer" i think of porn.

I agree, it is kind of a ridiculous term that is funny how widely used it is. Like many people who take part in our hobby are so far removed from typical social discourse that they don't realize what the common meaning of "hardcore" actually is.

Hardcore gamers play games naked.  I thought everyone knew that.



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theRepublic said:
Jumpin said:
bananaking21 said:
every time i hear "hardcore gamer" i think of porn.

I agree, it is kind of a ridiculous term that is funny how widely used it is. Like many people who take part in our hobby are so far removed from typical social discourse that they don't realize what the common meaning of "hardcore" actually is.

Hardcore gamers play games naked.  I thought everyone knew that.


I've been hardcore all along, and never even knew it...



CharmedontheWB said:
Not everyone is keen on playing some imported game. We are not all anime freaks who worship everything Japanese.


We don't all import from Japan either.  US gets a lot of stuff Europe doesn't, and gets even more stuff months earlier.



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I just personally don't believe the WiiU has proven it can defrenciate, let alone capture the PS360 audience. It still seems far too casual oriented in a lot of ways. I would clarify that when I think of Casual and Hardcore...
-Casuals: treat games like a side attraction. They spend just as much money on games as a Hardcore but are far less invested in them mentally. These kinds of gamers are extremely fleeting and often times travel with the herd.
-Hardcore: live and breath gaming. It has become a main hobby for them, takes less to push them because once they have committed to a series or product they are most often there to stay (unless they are abused).

I think all three companies view what Hardcore gamers in a different light though as well. Nintendo seemingly views those who have grown up with their product name, cherish it, and pledge allegiance to support them as their hardcore. These people want the trinity (Zelda,Mario, Metroid) and are immediately satisfied with getting even one of those. This has worked for NIN for many years, and when they lost the Console throne 2 gens in a row these were the gamers that kept them alive. Microsoft sees their Hardcore purely in the monetary sense. They will appease any group that is willing to make them the quickest/largest returns possible. Hasn't failed them either it seems because even after abandoning pursuits of new IPs many still stay with them. Sony sees their hardcore as those who are more so pledged by the brand Playstation itself, in slight contrast with NIN. Under the unspoken promise that PS will keep churning out old and new IPs that titilate gaming norms, these are Sony's devote.

There is a misconception through the media that Hardcore = Adult Oriented but thats not necessarily the case. Sony and MS both concentrate on those kinds of experiences but its not NIN's style. They may want to tap into that market though for it is something they have always lacked, hence the push for 3rd Parties with WiiU I think.

Back to the WiiU, I can understand where the article writer is coming from. WiiU is doing just fine capturing the "Hardcore" audience they always have, Mario fans(Generalization but you know what I mean) and the like. Those who are not enthused by those types of games feel indifferent tho. What was originally thought was WiiU would attempt at courting the OTHER console's Hardcore by going after the things THEY like. I think that would be the only way for the WiiU to gain any serious market share in this fight.

I think Nintendo underestimates the underlining truth that Sony and MS were right about the original Wii all those years ago. It was a FAD! Many don't want to hear it but its true, hence its rapid decline in the last few years. This is not to say it wasn't extremely successful, yet it was a fad. It built its empire on capitalizing on Casual, which I stated earlier are very fickle people. Every manufacturer always WANTS the casuals but to base your entire marketing strategy on them seems to lead to premature death. WiiU should be different but is going about it in an awkward way. WiiU is simply showing it can "match" current gen consoles, and beyond the controller screen and a little more horse power seems to be nothing but. It might prove difficult to sell a product to people when they basically have something already that does the exact same thing for cheaper. I could be wrong, look at apple and the iPhone/iPad relationship, which I think is the basis of their strategy. Unfortunately the Apple strategy has yet to be proven to work for anyone but them. Only they can sell a new product to us that does the same/less than their last product for a ridiculous premium.........



      

      

      

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Well i think Nintendo is trying really hard to get the hardcore audience this time but will it work.I seriously doubt it 90% of the games i can get on the WII U i can get on my PS3 too.
So if Nintendo really want to attrackt the hardcore gamers ninty need to anounce some hardcore game exclusives rather than multiplats and ports which look identically than old gen.

Right now they have the Ninty crowd and some of the casuals ( but the casuals wont have such an impact this time because Microsoft and Sony realised that this is a big market for them too and they will also find ways to attrackt the casuals)



TheKingofRedLions said:

Is it plausible that they could add voice chat with a firmware update?

It has voice chat. The 'article' is complaining that you need a headset for it.



SunofKratos said:
Right now they have the Ninty crowd and some of the casuals ( but the casuals wont have such an impact this time because Microsoft and Sony realised that this is a big market for them too and they will also find ways to attrackt the casuals)


Isn't that being dangerous anyway? I mean that just proves they aren't dedicated to so-called 'hardcore' gamers and would waste no time making the mistakes nintendo made this generation.



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