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Viper1 said:

 

bananaking21 said:

more than enough ram? lets be honest here thats no way "more than enough" modern day PC's usually have 8 GB of ram (a good one for gaming that is) some go up to 16 GB's. so 1 GB honestly is a littel ram, much better than the PS3 and 360. but in term of RAM the WiiU doesnt pack much

1 GB for games on a console is actually enough.   Take a look at the exe file for Battlefield 3 running at 2560 x 1600 on ultra high textures...uses 1.8 GB.

A PC runs a whole lot of extra stuff and your games either never take advantage of all of it or simply don't need to.     Hell, most games are 32 bit applications and can't address more than 4 GB anyway. 

And let's not forget about texture streaming.   Given the Wii U's media drive gives 22.5 MB/s bandwidth, it can easily stream enough textures to never worry about taxing the system RAM.


Ask a silly question, but what about the video RAM on the graphics card? Surely for Battlefield 3 running at that res and settings you need a graphics card with > 2Gb of GDDR5 RAM. Just because Battlefield 3 only uses 1.8Gb of system RAM, doesn't it also need to use huge amounts of video RAM (which I assume is faster)?



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lilbroex said:

So, looking at that picture I see only 1 main chip? Does that mean they've merged CPU/GPU on the same die?



Scoobes said:
lilbroex said:

So, looking at that picture I see only 1 main chip? Does that mean they've merged CPU/GPU on the same die?



Kynes said:
Scoobes said:
lilbroex said:

So, looking at that picture I see only 1 main chip? Does that mean they've merged CPU/GPU on the same die?

That answers that one Thanks!



justinian said:
bananaking21 said:
Conegamer said:
I'm not the best person on computers, but I'd say it should be able to do more in the same way that a 2GHz Dual Core is more efficent than a 4GHz Single-Core.

It has more than enough RAM...for now...so that's the important thing, and even when the next-gen starts it should still have enough to have games ported to it with no issues.


more than enough ram? lets be honest here thats no way "more than enough" modern day PC's usually have 8 GB of ram (a good one for gaming that is) some go up to 16 GB's. so 1 GB honestly is a littel ram, much better than the PS3 and 360. but in term of RAM the WiiU doesnt pack much

The next xbox and PS will not have 8GB of RAM. Comparing PCs memory to a console's is pointless. PCs will always have significantly more because the RAM used is cheaper. X360 was using DDR2 when DDR1 was mainstream 7 years ago. Wii U is reported to be using GDDR4 RAM.

The best looking PC game running on a machine with 16GB RAM and the best GPU does not look 20x better than the best looking console game with 512MB RAM and an old ass GPU.

Crysis 3 on the best PC is not "massively" superior to the x360 version.

You could not be more wrong lol!   Comparing Crysis 2 on Ultra to Crysis 2 on console is the same as comparing MGS3 to MGS4.  The difference is massive!



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Conegamer said:
I'm not the best person on computers, but I'd say it should be able to do more in the same way that a 2GHz Dual Core is more efficent than a 4GHz Single-Core.

Actually, there are very very few circumstances where a 2GHz dual core is more efficient than a 4GHz single core.

For one thing, many tasks cannot be broken down into two separate jobs, whereas two jobs can be multitasked with not much penalty (the granularity of context switching needs to be unnoticeable to humans, but this can still be millions of processor cycles).  Additionally, there is an overhead with two processors accessing the same shared resource (memory): they need to spend time negotiating its use.

The sense in which 2GHz dual cores are more efficient tends to be the power consumption angle.  Not that they can do more, but that a 4GHz processor requires smaller transistors (making it less economical to produce) and wastes more heat compared to two 2GHz processors, all other things being equal.  As a result you can possibly do more because ease of dual core design allows you to add performance enhancements so that all other things are not equal.



512 for OS is already overkill. I agree with those saying another 512 will be unlocked for games in the next yr or two =1.5 gb total.



Galaki said:
bananaking21 said:
Galaki said:
I heard WiiU is on par and/or less powerful than PS3. That makes the 1GB RAM of the 2 GB RAM roughly equivalent to 256MB RAM of the 512MB RAM.

So, Nintendo is charging its customers 4 times for the price of one. What a rip off.

its more powerfull than the PS3 and certainly has much more RAM. i dont know if your messing around or being serious honestly

If you've been following gaming news, you should know by now that everybody and their cats know the WiiU is a weak system.

Think about it, if you spend $4 to buy the same piece of candy that I bought for $1. Your dollars are worth 25% of my dollars.

"If you've been following gaming RUMORS"  I fixed it for you! 

Yeah we know its a weak system because people have no Idea what weak actually is (Is it about resolution? About polygons? About effects? World size? Ai?) Seriously most idiots still think 3ghz on CPU architecture X > 2ghz on cpu architecture Y.... You cannot compare MB/GB or MHZ/GHZ when the architecture is totally different.
My 800mhz phone can play HD movies   my old 3ghz PC cant.

So what makes a console strong? Is 10000 screens with 320x240 weaker than 1 screen with 1080p just because the pixels are not on 1 display?

For most people power = resolution.

But this is like comparing a f1 racer to a truck.  and saying only SPEED is important not how many tons can be moved at once.  So the racer is strong and the truck is weak. This makes no sense.....  Would you say the PSP is stronger than the 3ds? Just because the main screen has a higher resolution  and ignore that the 3ds has shaders etc the PSP can only dream of  + it has a second screen.

Well I guess we also know the WiiU is "weak" because all "news" come from sources and websites that never ever tried to generate clicks and of course all of them have a WiiU already and had enough time to "max"it.

I mean is the PS3/360 weak now that a little bit less weak console comes out? NO they are sufficient for what they are supposed to do.

P.S.  I dont see how your candy comparison works.  I mean If I could buy candy for 1 dollar and I have the chance to buy a similar piece of candy thats a little bit better than the 1 dollar candy and comes with a screen. I would pay 4 dollars!



you have been Galaki-ed



Scoobes said:
Kynes said:
Scoobes said:

So, looking at that picture I see only 1 main chip? Does that mean they've merged CPU/GPU on the same die?

That answers that one Thanks!

No it doesn't. From this angle, it looks like the 2 memory chips in the centre are also GDDR5 chips (if they use the new higher density chips, they could indeed get  away with only 4 memory chips). The chip labeled "GPU" is actually the chip carrier that contains the CPU and GPU, the chip labeled "CPU" is actually the large eDram chip (same idea as in the XBox360) . Look at the address bus in the other picture, all lines go to the chip carrier.