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TheBioLover said:
Wow, this thread certainly taught me who the Nintendo loyalists were.

I figured the Nintendo avatars would be hint enough.



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What Vita really needs is re-branding. That blue/white combination on the box art is just so plain and boring!
I'm glad Sony is finally getting rid of the blue on the PS3 PSN Store. Vita should be next.



ECM said:
damoxuk said:
At the end of the day it's a shame as it really is a brilliant handheld - easily the best handheld gaming device ever. Pity that the lack of top tier games is not here (yet) and high than normal price in thse hard times are affecteing sales.

But it sure as hell doesn't affect me enjoying it immensely and that at the end of day is all that matters.

Vita is easily the only console what has had consistent negativity thrown at it from the get go. One of those devices that you can easily dismiss if never played it, but once played is hard to ignore it's quality.

Uh, are you serious? The Wii spent its entire existence having negativity thrown at it--I think the Vita has some catching up to do...if it lives long enough<--intentional irony on that last bit

The Wii negativity was virtually no affect on its sales since the system was bought by the mainstream/casuals. More specifically, families.

No matter how much negatitvty the media threw at it, it didn't matter since soccer moms don't do their research. They see Nintendo, they see Mario, MUST BUY!



VGKing said:
What Vita really needs is re-branding. That blue/white combination on the box art is just so plain and boring!
I'm glad Sony is finally getting rid of the blue on the PS3 PSN Store. Vita should be next.

I agree on the box (3DS XL non american is the same imo), but the cartridges are cool. What color would you put Vita?

Still sony's best regular box, but only badasses consoles could go for that.



ganoncrotch said:
TheBioLover said:
Wow, this thread certainly taught me who the Nintendo loyalists were.


Being called a loyalist for mentioning anything factual about the sales of the vita is a bit silly imo. I'll be honest I'm a fan of gaming in general and as much as I hands down rather the 3DS to the vita I still do not want to see the vita going down anytime soon, Competition is good, lack of it = complacency.

You have to be realistic tho the Vita was meant to be over the 10million mark by now and it's sales are at a standstill while people await the absolutely needed price drop and AAA game for it, Things are no going well and I think even the most loyal sony fans can admit that now, something needs to happen and fast.

no not really, the Vita doesn't need the 3ds and the 3ds doesn't need the Vita

the "they are need competition" is BS, ps2 destroyed it's competition and is still the greatest games console of all time with the largest most diversie library ever, the gamecube and xbox selling like significantly worse didn't stop that, just like the ps3 selling considerebly worse than the wii didn't stop it from kicking ass as far as library was concerned

same can be said for nintendo, DS didn't need the psp to get nintendogs, or brain training

the Vita will be no different, just might take alittle longer to pick up steam (sales wise)

 

 

p.s. that 10 million mark made me spit my drink out though, you nintendo fans are fucking hilarious



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logic56 said:
ganoncrotch said:
TheBioLover said:
Wow, this thread certainly taught me who the Nintendo loyalists were.


Being called a loyalist for mentioning anything factual about the sales of the vita is a bit silly imo. I'll be honest I'm a fan of gaming in general and as much as I hands down rather the 3DS to the vita I still do not want to see the vita going down anytime soon, Competition is good, lack of it = complacency.

You have to be realistic tho the Vita was meant to be over the 10million mark by now and it's sales are at a standstill while people await the absolutely needed price drop and AAA game for it, Things are no going well and I think even the most loyal sony fans can admit that now, something needs to happen and fast.

no not really, the Vita doesn't need the 3ds and the 3ds doesn't need the Vita

the "they are need competition" is BS, ps2 destroyed it's competition and is still the greatest games console of all time with the largest most diversie library ever, the gamecube and xbox selling like significantly worse didn't stop that, just like the ps3 selling considerebly worse than the wii didn't stop it from kicking ass as far as library was concerned

same can be said for nintendo, DS didn't need the psp to get nintendogs, or brain training

the Vita will be no different, just might take alittle longer to pick up steam (sales wise)

 

 

p.s. that 10 million mark made me spit my drink out though, you nintendo fans are fucking hilarious


I'm glad you find it funny that it is selling below even the lowest of expectations, I've said it a fair few times I'm a fan of gaming... just because I have a preference to the 2 handhelds I have changes opinions, Ok!

If you think that companies without competition are a good thing then I'm glad you like the idea of paying more for the same product, because competition doesn't just make certain games come out it affects everything, from product localization, Price and Variety of models. Think about it, if there is no other handheld around then there is no reason to push the envelope in terms of great gaming experiences and there is no reason to keep it's price at an acceptable rate because there is no option but to buy it for portable gaming experience. if you can't understand this then tis pointless.



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RolStoppable said:
ganoncrotch said:

I'm glad you find it funny that it is selling below even the lowest of expectations, I've said it a fair few times I'm a fan of gaming... just because I have a preference to the 2 handhelds I have changes opinions, Ok!

If you think that companies without competition are a good thing then I'm glad you like the idea of paying more for the same product, because competition doesn't just make certain games come out it affects everything, from product localization, Price and Variety of models. Think about it, if there is no other handheld around then there is no reason to push the envelope in terms of great gaming experiences and there is no reason to keep it's price at an acceptable rate because there is no option but to buy it for portable gaming experience. if you can't understand this then tis pointless.

Actually, logic56 has a point. (I can't believe I am saying this.)

Sony's original expectations for the PSV were around 5m units LTD at this point, a far cry from the 10m you stated.

Regarding competition, it's really not needed. If the market doesn't buy, then a company needs to act, even if it holds a monopoly. In the handheld market, that was the GBA. Despite no competition, Nintendo launched the GBA SP with clamshell design, backlight and built-in battery. They also kept releasing great games and everything was at acceptable prices. Video games are goods that are not essential for life, so even a monopoly doesn't enable a company to do whatever it wants.

Also, most consumers prefer one dominant machine each generation, because it means they only have to buy one piece of hardware to get all (or the majority of) the games they want.


The GBA launched alongside the NeoGeo Pocket colour another machine with similar layout, close to Snes levels of graphics and some pretty nice games, then 3 years later the Nokai Ngage caused quite a stir leading up to is delayed launch was exactly when nintendo dropped the GBAsp. Sure in terms of numbers those machines didn't do too great but that isn't to say that Nintendo didn't factor in the Ngage which was about to have ports from the GBA + a backlite screen when it comes to making the SP

 

Re the 10m comment, the actual sony figure is probably very diluted in all the OTT fan predictions tho, my bad.



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ganoncrotch said:
logic56 said:
ganoncrotch said:
TheBioLover said:
Wow, this thread certainly taught me who the Nintendo loyalists were.


Being called a loyalist for mentioning anything factual about the sales of the vita is a bit silly imo. I'll be honest I'm a fan of gaming in general and as much as I hands down rather the 3DS to the vita I still do not want to see the vita going down anytime soon, Competition is good, lack of it = complacency.

You have to be realistic tho the Vita was meant to be over the 10million mark by now and it's sales are at a standstill while people await the absolutely needed price drop and AAA game for it, Things are no going well and I think even the most loyal sony fans can admit that now, something needs to happen and fast.

no not really, the Vita doesn't need the 3ds and the 3ds doesn't need the Vita

the "they are need competition" is BS, ps2 destroyed it's competition and is still the greatest games console of all time with the largest most diversie library ever, the gamecube and xbox selling like significantly worse didn't stop that, just like the ps3 selling considerebly worse than the wii didn't stop it from kicking ass as far as library was concerned

same can be said for nintendo, DS didn't need the psp to get nintendogs, or brain training

the Vita will be no different, just might take alittle longer to pick up steam (sales wise)

 

 

p.s. that 10 million mark made me spit my drink out though, you nintendo fans are fucking hilarious


I'm glad you find it funny that it is selling below even the lowest of expectations, I've said it a fair few times I'm a fan of gaming... just because I have a preference to the 2 handhelds I have changes opinions, Ok!

If you think that companies without competition are a good thing then I'm glad you like the idea of paying more for the same product, because competition doesn't just make certain games come out it affects everything, from product localization, Price and Variety of models. Think about it, if there is no other handheld around then there is no reason to push the envelope in terms of great gaming experiences and there is no reason to keep it's price at an acceptable rate because there is no option but to buy it for portable gaming experience. if you can't understand this then tis pointless.

a wild ps2 just appeared a beat your logic with a baseball bat.......it was super effective

dominated the market in ways Nintendo could only dream and still got price cuts, localization, varied models, tons of games all year every year, etc.

maybe Nintendo needs competition, they would get complacent (see wii), but not Sony, if the Vita dominated the handheld market you would be in handheld gaming nirvana, of games constantly pushing the envelope, and services only getting better, that's just what Sony does, the 3ds and iphone if anything are only stifling what could be an even more amazing handheld, so I"ll just have to enjoy the great gaming experience (that not even the haters can deny) that it brings with the very few of us who brought it :/, but wont stop the experience from being any less great though, can't wait to get my hands on Soul Sacrifice and AC:L

edit: lol what Rol said



The important 10 million is not for now (10 million by now is a really silly to think)

It was for march 2012 to march 2013.



ECM said:

Christ, the irony here burns: how many of you using these tired excuses didn't trot these out for the Wii? Oh right, probably because the Wii sold *in spite of* all the insane negativity--negativity at a level the Vita can only dream of--it would have been ludicrous to suggest the media had anything other than a meager impact, and that only with the 'hardcore' tools, a vanishingly small portion of the market that believes it's far more important than it actually is. In fact, it'd be more reasonable to say that the media is *impotent* in this regard or that they have the *opposite* effect on game sales based on observable reality. (I'm going with impotent merely because the "media" caters to a tiny slice of the market, read: people like us.)

(Note: the media shat all over the Wii--still does--and it crushed the HD twins, but you think its valid for the PSV to fall back on that excuse?? That the *media*, which has virtually no thrall over the vast, vast, vast majoirty of consumers is kiilling it? Really?? And that if the media would only go gung-ho over the non-existent library of games it'd start selling in staggering numbers? People aren't (that) stupid: they can see how  much a Vita costs and they can look at the library and see that , hey, I can play a lot of these games on my PS3 so why should  I fork over another $250 to play, basically, the *same* games?? This, btw, is part of the reason you'll *never* see a mainlinel Pokemon on a home console--it sells GB/GBA/DS/3DS' and it would be foolish and reckless to take away one of the biggest selling points the hardware has. Sony doesn't get this. They thought (bizarrely) again that duping the PS3 library, in large part, would move units, but it didn't work on PSP (from PS2), so why did they thnk it'd work on Vita? (Incidentally, this is why people banking on ACIII this holiday to save it are living in a dream world.) But no matter how often history repeats, people will choose blind fealty to their favorite 'x' over reality.)


Read my reply to Rol, will ya? And don't throw me in some convienent basket of "must be a Wii hater from yesteryear". I don't like the Wii console, it's theme, or primary controller being the Wii mote but I did like some of the things it brought and played it often when given the opportunity. I'm tempted to "borrow" the Wii my father has (strangly he bought one, never bought a game for it, wierd) so I can play the great titles on it. I would have been much happier with a Gamecube 2 in full force this gen, one day maybe....one day. I have never foamed at the mouth, baseless hate spewed the Wii. Well that's dramatic, but just because I don't like a few things about it doesn't mean it is the worst thing ever and I have some kind of covenent taken in a dark Sony cave to destroy the system through devoid claims.

I think all the Vita hate is rediculous, fueled by a hate for Sony, not the Vita. Launches are vulnerable, sales don't hit their stride in the first year. Despite Vita having a solid first week launch number (1.1 million) it's struggling and being targeted. The PS3 is selling too well and has years of software, very few things to leverage to spur "hate". Vita is easy pickings. Without grabbing the mainstream the Vita's main target audience is getting negative info left and right.

Sony could have avoided the disaster if they made something that was a mainstream success. That's all their fault too. If it launched with full features (PS Mobile, several apps, PSone classics) they could have marketed it as a tablet gaming supermachine....seperated it away from the cheaper 3DS and give it the advantage. Right now most people shopping for a handheld console only see the 3DS and the Vita as game consoles, but even the 3DS is more than that, but the Vita is WAY more than that. Hopefully they do it right with PS Mobile out now, right now 21 titles but there will be 70 by the end of the year and that's while still in beta. If things work out the Vita will start becoming a viable device in multiple markets.

As a gamer the Vita is one good device to own. I love the thing. If you can get one, get one, very worth it.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(