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phenom08 said:
happydolphin said:
noname2200 said:

The N64.

I thought they eventually learned their lesson on that one, though.

It wasn't due to superior graphics that the 64 failed NN. It was due to the media format and hardware limitations. Case in point actually a gimped system the N64 was for most 3rd parties, and that ruined it.

The Wii is weaker in all respects, not just an important one like the 64 was (game media). That's worse. However the Wii compensated by catering to a new market, something that was also possible on the N64. So the Wii's success in the new blue market has nothing to do with Nintendo's continued failure in the traditional red market. As a reminder, the success of the unproven Wii in the casual market was a shock to all, believers and non-believers alike. However they won't strike gold twice since users already own the Wii. The U needs to be a significant HW upgrade otherwise there's no incentive to buy. Well, that and alluring SW exclusives.

How exactly are people so sure of this? This argument applies to any and everything. Why buy a IPad 2 when you already have an IPad? How about Wii Fit Plus, it sold just as much as the original, why if they were already satisfied by the first? The point is you nor me have no clue how things are going to play out. It could be bigger than Wii for all we know.


My guess is no because the Wii came out at a time where no one had really seen anything like Wii Sports and the concept of "get off your couch" console gaming was largely unheard of.

Today this concept has been copied and iterated dozens of times ... ie: Wii Fit even isn't that unique anymore becuase the market is flooded with about 20 different fitness games.

There's a chance a new Guitar Hero could be bigger than Guitar Hero 2 or 3 too, but its unlikely.



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Mummelmann said:
Well, Reggie says a lot of things. Great 3rd party support? I'm not so sure about that, still remains to be seen, we were waiting for that the entire 7th gen but it never came, despite the Wii devastating the competition. Its been made a whole lot easier for 3rd parties this time around but I can only think of the age-old expression; "where there's a will there's a way". (1)3rd parties never wanted to support the Wii, they perfectly well could have, and I have a feeling that even with the technical aspect being a lot simpler as far as multiplatform development goes, they simply won't pull out the big guns and give Nintendo their undivided attention.

I also think this statement means trouble; (2)"Its based on having great graphics." Yeah, that sure worked for Nintendo in the past. (3)The Wii U is more mainstream and forced than the Wii ever was and thus will never be able to attain the level of success it (Wii) had. (4)Nintendo is simply trying to catch Sony and MS on tech and that tactic will end badly, especially when the others get around to releasing their own consoles.

There is nothing to suggest that the Wii U will be anywhere near as successful as the Wii. Will it able to fend of the next PS and X-box, though? Hard to say, we don't know what they're offering yet, nor do we know what the market will bring in the coming years and how it will change, also add in a possible fourth contender on the home console market as a wildcard and we know truly nothing.

samuship; I think that the Wii U will have a shorter life than the Wii, the Wii was the market leader from very early on, broke records and made Nintendo ridiculous amounts of money and they were still first out the gates with a replacement (like certain people predicted, the whole sales curve was foreseen by some). There's also the simple fact that the market keeps moving faster and is branching out, leading to all three console of the 8th gen having short lives, we'll never see PS2 level support ever again in the market.

Are you sure you don't hate Ninty lol? This all screams I hate Ninty to say the least. So many flaws lol.

1. What exactly are the big guns lol. The games you like? The highest selling 3rd party game has already been announced for WiiU its called CoD. GTA has yet to be annouced for anything so for all we know its 360/PS3/WiiU. The major 3rd party support has already been annouced the only thing left are the smaller games HD gamers like and think will make a difference. They won't make a difference all Ninty needs are the "big multiplatformals"(CoD, GTA, Madden, Fifa, etc...) and Nintys exclusives you know the games that actually sell consoles, something the "big guns" dont do besides the games I just mentioned. I mean seriously what are these titles the WiiU needs that are even going to sell beyond 5 million without being added together across platforms lol?

2. Yea it has worked for them in the past lol. Gamecube and N64 aren't Ninty's only platforms. Let me guess NES and SNES don't count even though they were also pretty powerful for their time. Wow you sure are smart.

3. This is according to some random internet dweller lol. Im sure you doubted the Wii as well but ofcourse your gonna claim you saw it being successful.

4. This line confirmed your bias against Ninty. Playing catch up lol, kinda like Kinect and PS Move and how is playing catch up releasing a new platform late compared to when you usually release new products. According to this logic, if Apple takes a year off from releasing(wait longer than they usually do) their next iphone and release it the year after they are just playing catch up. How exactly do you know how powerful their next platforms are going to be exactly lol, looking at how desperate they got at copying Ninty they could pull a Wii stunt for all we know. Ofcourse Im not saying they will be weaker than WiiU but I am saying they could very well be just alittle stronger to keep cost down and actually beating Ninty this time.

" I think that the Wii U will have a shorter life than the Wii". Im gonna remember this lol. But for the rest of your post do you even realize the Wii wasn't the market leader as early as you claim since the WiiU will be market leader day one? Wow do you even think before you post. How about this being more proof of you not knowing what you are talking about " the Wii was the market leader from very early on, broke records and made Nintendo ridiculous amounts of money and they were still first out the gates with a replacement." Was this suppose to be a negative thing about the Wii because all of this applies to the PS1 lol. It became the highest selling home console and was replaced by the PS2 before Ninty replaced their less successful platform. Anyways thanks for showing me how much you know and how bias you are.



phenom08 said:

How exactly are people so sure of this? This argument applies to any and everything. Why buy a IPad 2 when you already have an IPad? How about Wii Fit Plus, it sold just as much as the original, why if they were already satisfied by the first? The point is you nor me have no clue how things are going to play out. It could be bigger than Wii for all we know.

There are some things on vgchartz we can be sure of, some things we can speculate. This is something we can speculate on. I think like soundwave realized the newness factor of Wii is no longer a selling point, now WiiU must sell off of intrinsic value. It goes without saying this is speculation, please feel free to disagree.



Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
happydolphin said:
noname2200 said:

The N64.

I thought they eventually learned their lesson on that one, though.

It wasn't due to superior graphics that the 64 failed NN. It was due to the media format and hardware limitations. Case in point actually a gimped system the N64 was for most 3rd parties, and that ruined it.

The Wii is weaker in all respects, not just an important one like the 64 was (game media). That's worse. However the Wii compensated by catering to a new market, something that was also possible on the N64. So the Wii's success in the new blue market has nothing to do with Nintendo's continued failure in the traditional red market. As a reminder, the success of the unproven Wii in the casual market was a shock to all, believers and non-believers alike. However they won't strike gold twice since users already own the Wii. The U needs to be a significant HW upgrade otherwise there's no incentive to buy. Well, that and alluring SW exclusives.

How exactly are people so sure of this? This argument applies to any and everything. Why buy a IPad 2 when you already have an IPad? How about Wii Fit Plus, it sold just as much as the original, why if they were already satisfied by the first? The point is you nor me have no clue how things are going to play out. It could be bigger than Wii for all we know.


My guess is no because the Wii came out at a time where no one had really seen anything like Wii Sports and the concept of "get off your couch" console gaming was largely unheard of.

Today this concept has been copied and iterated dozens of times ... ie: Wii Fit even isn't that unique anymore becuase the market is flooded with about 20 different fitness games.

There's a chance a new Guitar Hero could be bigger than Guitar Hero 2 or 3 too, but its unlikely.

What's your point lol, wow your logic is so off its not even funny. Why does the WiiU need to be extraordinary lol, the 3DS is outpacing the DS without anything extraordinary or how about how the PS1 or PS2 didn't need anything out of the ordianry. Or how about the NES or the Gameboy Advance. The point is you are to stuck on this NInty needs a new gimmick ( which they have). By the way Wii wasn't the first motion controlled game just like the WiiU doesn't introduce tablets to the world. So try again.



happydolphin said:
phenom08 said:

How exactly are people so sure of this? This argument applies to any and everything. Why buy a IPad 2 when you already have an IPad? How about Wii Fit Plus, it sold just as much as the original, why if they were already satisfied by the first? The point is you nor me have no clue how things are going to play out. It could be bigger than Wii for all we know.

There are some things on vgchartz we can be sure of, some things we can speculate. This is something we can speculate on. I think like soundwave realized the newness factor of Wii is no longer a selling point, now WiiU must sell off of intrinsic value. It goes without saying this is speculation, please feel free to disagree

What was so new about the Wii again because i remember a certain fanbase claiming they're favorite company beating Ninty to the punch with motion control gaming and now they are claiming otherwise to help their argument against the WiiU.



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phenom, I'm not sure what you want. Is there a point in particular in what I said that you want to discuss rationally? It's not something we typically debate about when saying the Wii was revolutionary as to the market it targetted and its mode of control input.



phenom08 said:

What's your point lol, wow your logic is so off its not even funny. Why does the WiiU need to be extraordinary lol, the 3DS is outpacing the DS without anything extraordinary or how about how the PS1 or PS2 didn't need anything out of the ordianry. Or how about the NES or the Gameboy Advance. The point is you are to stuck on this NInty needs a new gimmick ( which they have). By the way Wii wasn't the first motion controlled game just like the WiiU doesn't introduce tablets to the world. So try again.

The Wii was extraordinary, and that's why he believes it went viral, and doubts that that novelty will propel sales this time around. He's not alone in thinking that, clearly it can't be that irrational a thought.



happydolphin said:
phenom08 said:

What's your point lol, wow your logic is so off its not even funny. Why does the WiiU need to be extraordinary lol, the 3DS is outpacing the DS without anything extraordinary or how about how the PS1 or PS2 didn't need anything out of the ordianry. Or how about the NES or the Gameboy Advance. The point is you are to stuck on this NInty needs a new gimmick ( which they have). By the way Wii wasn't the first motion controlled game just like the WiiU doesn't introduce tablets to the world. So try again.

The Wii was extraordinary, and that's why he believes it went viral, and doubts that that novelty will propel sales this time around. He's not alone in thinking that, clearly it can't be that irrational a thought.

Actually read what I said its pretty clear. I said why does the WiiU need to be extraordinary not the Wii wasn't. Stop seeing what you want to see and accept it doesn't need anything extraordinary(WiiU). The Wii was extraordinary thanks to the software it received, which the WiiU will receive as well but i don't care about why you think the Wii was great. I want to know why the WiiU needs to be that way when plenty of plats have done it without it anything extraordinary.



teigaga said:
They'll need to get the Big 3rd party Games current/next gen bridge titles like Starwars 1313, Metal Gear: Ground Zero, Watchdogs and Bungie's "Desitny" before I believe this.

Which of those titles isn't planned for this generation?  If they are coming out for this generation, I am pretty sure that the WiiU can handle them.



phenom08 said

Actually read what I said its pretty clear. I said why does the WiiU need to be extraordinary not the Wii wasn't. Stop seeing what you want to see and accept it doesn't need anything extraordinary(WiiU). The Wii was extraordinary thanks to the software it received, which the WiiU will receive as well but i don't care about why you think the Wii was great. I want to know why the WiiU needs to be that way when plenty of plats have done it without it anything extraordinary.

What he's saying was that the novelty of the Wii caused its sales to propel. What he's saying is that, without said novelty, a successor to the Wii will not have that lift, since it employs the same recipe and thus by definition is not novel.

What you're saying doesn't matter right now. What matters is what he was saying, and what I was saying, since that's what you're putting into question. What you are saying is secondary to that.

Since your opinion is based on a misunderstanding of his opinion, what he was saying needs to be clarified to you, so that you don't misunderstand it.