No it wasnt, it was a terrible idea. Funds that could of been used for other projects were wasted on the Kinect and the Move imo. At least one of them should of stayed away from motion controls.

As a result we get a Kinect Fable and Wonderbook.

Great.

@ Bold, that's exactly the point.  Why wouldn't Nintendo want to sell more consoles?  If a 'bunch' of Sony fans like these kind of cinematic experiences - why shouldn't Nintendo at least have a go at making them?

@ italics, you are but one Nintendo fan.  Even with the vast number of them (us?) on this site, it's still not representative.

The point HappyD was making in his OP wasn't that Nintendo should stop making what they're making and start making what Sony is making, it's that they should look into diversifying and trying something different while continuing what they're doing.  How you're still missing that after nearly 30 pages of replies I have no idea.

If your answer is "No, they shouldn't", then why don't you just say that and leave the thread, instead of getting into these long-winded debates?

Mr Khan said:

Such is counterproductive to the blue ocean strategy. There's no reason for Nintendo to try to fight Sony on its terms when there are lots of gamers (even without going into the realm of casuals or non-gamers) that are essentially unserved by anyone.

Such is counterproductive to the blue ocean strategy. There's no reason for Nintendo to try to fight Sony on its terms when there are lots of gamers (even without going into the realm of casuals or non-gamers) that are essentially unserved by anyone.

-Naughty Dog was purchased well before Uncharted was even thought of give Sony some credit on their vision. It was their vision as a company that made  Uncharted what it was or would you rather they just left Uncharted as a Lord of the Rings type fantasy game? Sony doesn't add companies to their team lightly and when they join they dont implode like Microsofts purchases because they mostly respect Sony andr d their decisions. Most of the companies were second party partners that Sony eventually purchased. InFamous 2 didnt sell as well as Sony would hoped but they still purchased Sucker Punch because Sony sees promise in their future as a gaming entity. If it was left up to Microsoft they would've scrapped InFamous, like they scrapped many other projects in the past. Sony has a fleet of known quality companies and a growing loyal core base because of it. You dont have to like them...and this gen might have been their worst in sales but showed they have more heart than Microsoft than Nintendo and Sony combined when it comes to publishing and creating games.

-I haven't heard very many Sony fans swearing by Killzone. But I havent heard anyone say the franchise sucked. I've heard that it is a quality game but it doesnt have the charm of Halo/COD. In truth...I wouldn't want it to. Kill has its own gritty feel like a major motion picture type action even in multiplayer. Great graphics and animations.

-God of War has taken hack n slash games to another level in story and gameplay. If you don't  to acknowledge that lets truly sad. 

My point is to argue that it is in Nintendo's best interest to sell the most hardware possible, even if the games that increase the appeal of the system themselves aren't big sellers, but push the general appeal of the console (hence push HW, which in turn pushes SW).

Getting third parties on board would be much more efficient for Nintendo than making such games themselves. Not only do third parties already have established and thus strong IPs aimed at the segment you speak of, but it also allows Nintendo to make more of the types of games that third parties are neglecting, thus serving the people outside of this segment you speak of and increasing the general appeal of the system.

Nintendo made and had games like Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark, Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime and Resident Evil exclusivity during the N64 and GC eras. It didn't really help, because Nintendo's problem was that the majority of good third party games were not on their platform. Therefore Nintendo making or funding a game like Bayonetta 2 or Shadow of the Colossus here or there isn't going to raise the general appeal of the console by much. Getting proper CoD and AC games (and continuing to do so) is significantly more important for the appeal of the console. Ergo, there's no need for Nintendo to copy Sony.

Yeah I read that before and other places that the Kinect actually seems like it has a future and has made profit, they could bundle it with a new version in the next xbox and it will do pretty well, but the PSMove was a failure I'm pretty sure. 

Sony should of invested on their first and second parties instead of wasting their money on the PSMove imo. I'm liking Sony's plans as of late when it comes to their software (not so much on hardware) with the PS3. Making a lot of new IPs and all, but they need to expand more into those IPs or at least exposing the characters more, PSABR is a good start for that imo, even if the game sells less than expected or less than the original SSB, it could pave its way to making a really good follow up I'm sure.

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There are two reasons why Xenoblade and SotC did not do so well in Sales (not quality).

1. New IPs (SotC at its time on the PS2) usually dont sell well especially if little to no advertisment has been done (such as you stating only those in the internet knew about Xenoblade) and if they are not Nintendo-developed. Its pretty clear that anything Nintendo-developed will be instantly popular and/or well known to even gain a decent number of sales (for an example Kirby despite the fact it sells less than Mario, it does good because its mostly a Nintendo game, if it wasnt, it would probably have similar numbers to the other mentioned games). Some games get lucky and sell millions while others are unfortunate and sell only a handful in the beginning but build up over the next few years (which are not recorded/updated in numbers data).

2. Piracy (this involves SotC in the Ico HD Collection) - Nintendo made absolutely no effort when it comes to securing the Wii, by the end of 2010, practically every Wii was hackable (hardmod or softmod), ever since that day, they havent released a firmware patch or even if they did, a significant one that helps patch homebrew channel and other warez. For Ico HD collection, you can easily emulate it on the PC and play it in HD.

Nintendo shouldnt stop trying to make these games, I mean they can still make your Wii Sports, your Marios, Your Zeldas, Your pokemons, etc, but especially for a company like Nintendo, wouldnt hurt to get into other series/genres/game types. 

Just because a game sells less than others doesnt deem them wortheless or a waste of time.

Edit: I feel like I'm missing one more reason but I couldnt remember it after posting the rest ;p, cheers~

Edit 2: Not sure who but lol @ the one who compared Kirby to SotC's sales as if Kirby was a bad series. Play the game(s) before judging it thank you. (this part not in reference to ninetailschris/happyd).

I like kirby but yea lately it hasn't been .. that great lately imo. But I do love that pink ball (>^.^)>

But yea my point was that SOTC isn't something Nintendo must have to do as some were saying.

If SOTC if it got some AD time it would have done better but how much we don't know. We have to go by how it did and from what it did it isn't something that would tell Nintendo we have to make a game like that.

I think God of War would be a better example even if I don't like the series it has shown success.

But God I don't want to see a Uncharted nintendo just no. I don't want to see a movie with a character that looks copy and paste. Nintendo is known for having characters that's there gimmick( not all gimmicks are bad). Plus one thing I like about Nintendo games is that they usually have short cutscenes with long gameplay which is what i enjoy. I mean story is good but I hate putting down my controller doing nothing for a couple of minutes.

But I think if your arguement is nintendo needs some more dark theme gameplay then i wouldn't agrue with you because there should always be a balance with dark and fun themes.

Btw not saying there isn't any dark games that if they add some more it would be great.