Darc Requiem said: johntonsoup said: FishyJoe said: I repeat, read my sig. I know, FishyJoe, I know. All he is doing though is making a prediction and watching to see if the numbers bear it out. If it doesn't, it ought to be a lot of fun. If/when he starts making unfounded conclusions from the numbers, then we can start bashing. Johntonsoup, you are incorrect. Crazzyman's post are all the same. He cherry picks information, twists data, takes information out of context, or just outright lies to convey his point. Look up his post history. When he is proven factually incorrect, he either posts more out of context information or just repeats the same inaccurate facts until other posters just give up trying to correct him.

 I know, I assure you that I usually find his posts to be the least well reasoned of anyone on the site (don't worry, Leo-j and Soriku, I didn't forget about you  :)). I just think he has an interesting thread (which basically boils down to comparing two consoles week by week during two (admittedly cherry-picked) somewhat similar time frames). Does anyone really expect the PS3 to suddenly start selling like PS2 (other than Crazzy)? No. Of course not. But it doesn't hurt us to look at the numbers.

IMO, this thread is valuable because it provides me data that I would otherwise be too lazy or disinterested to look up.

CrazzyMan said: I know, FishyJoe, I know. All he is doing though is making a prediction and watching to see if the numbers bear it out. @johntonsoup, nice to see people, who actually can READ and understand the ONE of the points, why was created this thread. =) we will see, who will laugh last. :P =))

Most people don't have a problem with making (unrealistic) predictions, but want most of us want is a well supported connection between the data you are using to support the prediction and the system you're making the prediction for.

The PS2 in January 2001 is not a good system to compare the PS3 in January 2008 because the PS2 was very new and supply constrained in 2 regions (North America and Europe) while the PS3 has been around for awhile and is not supply constrained; the fact that the data you choose is bad, and there is no argument to connect the data sets together, means that the analysis is fundimentally flawed.

Ok, reading and comprehension might not be CrazzyMan's strong point.

This picture of CrazzyMan might explain it.

Crazzyman is Bob Denver?

...

Actually, that makes sense if you think about it for a bit.

HappySqurriel said: CrazzyMan said: I know, FishyJoe, I know. All he is doing though is making a prediction and watching to see if the numbers bear it out. @johntonsoup, nice to see people, who actually can READ and understand the ONE of the points, why was created this thread. =) we will see, who will laugh last. :P =)) Most people don't have a problem with making (unrealistic) predictions, but want most of us want is a well supported connection between the data you are using to support the prediction and the system you're making the prediction for. The PS2 in January 2001 is not a good system to compare the PS3 in January 2008 because the PS2 was very new and supply constrained in 2 regions (North America and Europe) while the PS3 has been around for awhile and is not supply constrained; the fact that the data you choose is bad, and there is no argument to connect the data sets together, means that the analysis is fundimentally flawed.

 I still don't see the harm in comparing two sets of numbers. Even if they are apples and oranges. Let's say that PS3 does not hold up well against the PS2 in this comparison. Ok, that's what we expected.

Now let's assume that it does hold up well. Not what we expected. What conclusions can we draw from it? I have no idea, and I'll bet money that I'll get irritated at Crazzy's explanation. So what? All he's doing right now is collecting data. Seems fine to me.

wow fishyjoe.
It seems like your one of those people who try to be a smart-aleck and think your funny.
you seem to blatantly ignore the fact that crazzyman is just going to post ps3 vs ps2 sales, and tout "cherry picking" crap everywhere. reread the first post and see what people should be here and post. Please.

@Reasonable,

Right now, current numbers of ps3 sales in January 2008 doesn`t differs much from ps2 numbers of January 2001. That may changes in future, for now it`s how it is. THAt is what going to change in 2008, I BELIEVE. You must be kidding. The main reason, why wii is selling, because it actually has from LAUNCH games, which show system capabilities - controls. How much do you think would PS3 sell, if it would have on LAUNCH games like Uncharted, Ratchet, FFXIII, GT5, KZ2, MGS4, GTA4 and etc. - games which SHOW what really ps3 capable of?
yeah, that is usually my point. Guess what will happen, when by the end of 2008, average pc will outperform x360. Who will need x360 then? This is rethorical question, don`t anwer, i don`t need flamebait here.Brand.. indeed, say this to Japanese. =)) Even in Europe PS3 was doing better, because of brand, not because it had amazing lineup in 2007. Actually for biggest part of the year it didn`t. PS3 won`t be 3rd for whole generation. I could even bet on that. There are still over 50 mln. ps2 users who haven`t jumped from ps2 to wii, x360 and ps3. Asuming that ALL those ps3/wii/x360 owners were users of ps2. That would be insane to assume. =))PS3 didn`t stop selling either. How good/bad it will do we will see later this year.YET, i am only comparing 2008 PS3 sales to 2001 PS2 sales, to SEE how good PS3 will do in comparison with PS2. That`s all.

Thank you, that was nice post of you. =)

@HappySqurriel,
so i should compare 2008 PS3 sales numbers with PS2 2002 sales numbers, just because PS2 wasn`t supply costrained? For WHAT POINT?

why you ignore, that 2001 is the year when games like MGS2, GTA3, FFX, DMC, GT3 were released, NOT 2002?
ONE of the point of this thread is to SEE what EFFECT will do games like  MGS4, GTA4, FFXIII, DMC4, GT5 to PS3 compared to MGS2, GTA3, FFX, DMC, GT3 to PS2.

CrazzyMan said: @FishyJoe, @Darc Requiem, IF you don`t care about sales of Sony producs - LEAVE this thread. IF you are Sony hater - LEAVE this thread. IF you DON`T believe in PS3 success - LEAVE this thread. IF you are interested in discussing sales numbers of Sony products - STAY. =) WHAT`S WRONG WITH YOU GUYS? BAD with READING?

CrazzyMan if we wanted to go by your rules for this thread, you'd have to leave as well. You aren't interested in discussing sales numbers of Sony products. As soon as anyone rightfully points out the inaccuracy of your numbers you want them to leave. You have shown that you are incapable of discussing anything Sony related repeated throughout this forum. You post factually inaccurate information and expect no one to call you out on it.

___O_o______ said: wow fishyjoe. It seems like your one of those people who try to be a smart-aleck and think your funny. you seem to blatantly ignore the fact that crazzyman is just going to post ps3 vs ps2 sales, and tout "cherry picking" crap everywhere. reread the first post and see what people should be here and post. Please.

 Ohhh! I get it! All I have to say is "Don't disagree with me" and you're not allowed! OK!

 By replying in this thread you agree with everything I say. You agree that you will only apply with positive reinforcement to my position, and that you will provide five (5) complements of my knowledge of the subject at hand. You further agree that you will devote twenty-five (25) percent of your salary to the "Truthiness home entertainment fund" and its parent company Truthiness Incorporated, a Megamartiniable industry. 

 Any violation of this contract will be deamed a breech of contract, and opens you, your family, and anyone Truthiness chooses to legal sanction. 

@Darc Requiem, so you basically admit that you are retard?actually I AM(otherwise i wouldn`t include those messages in the beginning of the thread), that`s why i created this thread. NOT for ARGUING, BUT for discussing SALES.
It`s hard to do now, but with more sales data coming, i think it will be easier. =) The numbers are ACCURATE, it`s MY FREE WILL to compare 2001 PS2 sales with 2008 PS3 sales. IF you don`t like it CREATE OWN THREAD and do comparison.
NUMBERS DON`T LIE. Atleast THESE are most accurate that we have for today.

@truthiness, if you have nothing to say, then what point even to reply? Ha Ha. Not enough threads? =))

I hope we done with arguing on this point, and next page will be dedicated to Sales Discussion. =)