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DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ?!?!??! THAT DOESN'T WORK!

At week 45, the PS2 did not have as much time to sell as PS3.

At week 61, the PS3 had an extra 16 weeks to sell.

For weekly sales, it is fine. For total sales it is not.

For weekly, the parallels you need are out in all regions.

For total, the parallels you need are TIMEFRAME and out in all regions.

You are not using the timeframe parallel! You have to use the SAME STARTING WEEK AND END WEEK. If I say the 360 has sold more when it was at week 68 than when Wii was at week 31, that is not a good comparison, is it? Because that is the same logic you are using.

I do not know how to make it any simpler than that.



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CrazzyMan said:

@Slimebeast,
1,5 month or 6 weeks of 2006 is negligible to be considered as full year, don`t you think so? :)
NO, why not?


True. But as you have heard a million times, 2000 was not a full year for PS2 either. If 6 weeks in Japan and 6 weeks in USA is negligible you can argue that March-Dec 2000 in a small market like Japan is also negligible, don't you think?



CrazzyMan said:
@Viper1,
one question, what`s wrong with this comparison:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=------&weeks=85
and why it`s =/= ?

@darthdevidem01,
people just forgetting this:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=GC&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=PS&reg3=Japan&weeks=110
All PS3 need is FFXIII release, but maybe MGS4, WKS, ES, Siren, Naruto, T6 and etc. will be enough. =)

=/= means "is not equal to" or the opposite of =

 

What is wrong with that chart is what I've pointed out many times already.  The PS2 has only 39 retail months on that chart while the PS3 gets 52 at the same point in time (week 78 it looks like).

 

I'll explain what I mean by months of sale.

PS2 launched on 3/04/2000 in Japan.  That chart shows 78 weeks of PS3 sales so 78 weeks after PS2 launched in 9/01/2001.  That means the PS2 had 18 months of sales in Japan, 11 months of sales in the US and 10 months of sales in Europe for a total of 39 months of PS2 sales by week 78 of that chart,

 

PS3 launched on  11/11/2006 in Japan.  Those 78 weeks of sales give the PS3 19 months of sales in Japan, 19 months of sales in the US and 14 months of sales in Europe for a total of 52 months of PS3 sales by week 78 of that chart.

 

This means that the chart you posted is actualy comparing 52 months of PS3 sales to just 39 months of PS2 sales for the same 78 week time period.  Now do you see how that is an unfair comparison and why epople tell you that you need to compare by territory?

 

 



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CrazzyMan said:
@Viper1,
one question, what`s wrong with this comparison:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=85
and why it`s =/= ?

I'll show you what is wrong with that comparison.  Instead of just PS2 and PS3, I'll add in the Wii.  I also extended out the graph a few more weeks.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=Wii&reg3=All&weeks=114

At around week 95, the PS2 takes off.  That increase is much larger than the increase for PS3 during the holidays.  The PS3 has no chance of keeping pace.  There has never been, and never will be any game that can increase the PS3's sales by more than the last holiday season did for the PS3.

The Wii is also leading the PS2 by quite a large margin at this point in the graph.  By your way of analysis, the Wii should dominate the PS2.  But, this will not continue.  When the Wii reaches week 95, the PS2 will make up a lot of ground.



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Will this thread ever end lol. it is one of the longest going threads i think i have seen lol. Its not a bad thing tho because its a good thread



TWRoO said:
This thread is going to last forever.

Nah, in about 3 months the PS3 will fall more than 7 million consoles behind the PS2, and will never get close again.



Sony doesn't get a free pass for having a staggered launch. If they had bad timing, that's their fault, and that affects the numbers, and that's how history will remember it, by the numbers.

People won't be making Crazzy's argument in 20 years. They'll be looking back and discussing how and when Sony shot themselves in the foot, and talking about Nintendo's insane super comeback that DWARFED the PS2.



dtewi said:
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ?!?!??! THAT DOESN'T WORK!

At week 45, the PS2 did not have as much time to sell as PS3.

At week 61, the PS3 had an extra 16 weeks to sell.

For weekly sales, it is fine. For total sales it is not.

For weekly, the parallels you need are out in all regions.

For total, the parallels you need are TIMEFRAME and out in all regions.

You are not using the timeframe parallel! You have to use the SAME STARTING WEEK AND END WEEK. If I say the 360 has sold more when it was at week 68 than when Wii was at week 31, that is not a good comparison, is it? Because that is the same logic you are using.

I do not know how to make it any simpler than that.

 It's not even just that.  He's counting at a time when the PS2 was severly supply constrained too.  Which just doesn't work when drawing a paralel because the PS2 just has more demand.  It's only comparative when they both arent' supply constrained because otherwise the PS2 has way more demand that just doesn't translate correctly.



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Business analysis is not…
 

-Gasping over sales numbers.
-Making charts.
-Being a bean counter.
-Isolating the finest detail…

CrazzyMan , You just did that. 

Business analysis is…

-Observing where the profit is coming.
-The market’s acceptance (or not) of the business model.
-What steps need to be taken now to create a certain outcome.
-Isolate the big picture and undergo pattern recognition.

CrazzyMan , You missed all that.

 Your thread is funny. How is I didn't saw it before?