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JEMC on 17 September 2012
Khuutra said:
JEMC said:

I agree that until Spring, there's nothing Microsoft or Sony can do to hurt WiiU's sales. What's more, the biggest problem so far seems to be the lack of enough consoles to meet the demand (something that could, ironically, benefit MS and Sony).

And I also agree that E3 will be very important for all of them. MS and Sony will probably give some details of their new consoles, they may even show the final hardware and give price and launch dates, and that will at least slow WiiU sales.

But Nintendo can mitigate the damage if they are capable of showing that third parties really care about WiiU and will support them once the launch period is over with new games (not necessarily exclusives) and also bringing to the table more info about their 1st party games. That's where studios like Retro or Monolith enter in action.

E3 won't matter for Nintendo just like it hasn't really mattered for a few years now.

We may get a good showing - maybe - but Nintendo Direct is where the megatons land, now.

E3 still matters to third parties, and that's the most important doubt Nintento has to make us forget.

This year we had Ubisoft with "Watch Dogs" unveiling. Nintendo needs to have that game on WiiU. And the same goes for "Star Wars 1313".

In E3 2013 Nintendo needs to show that Third Parties care about WiiU. Otherwise many "gamers" will wait for the PS4/Nextbox, and the sales wof WiiU will be affected by it.



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Gamerace on 17 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
At this point in time there is little that Microsoft and Sony can do that will have a meaningful impact on the Wii U ...

For the first year of its life the Wii U will be selling primarily to die-hard Nintendo fans and early-adopter/hardcore gamers. These people will either already own a HD console or be uninterested in what they offer, so a price reduction or game release will (probably) not impact Wii U sales.

If the Wii U starts off selling to the mass market consumer to an extent that PS3 and XBox 360 price cuts have an impact on sales, the Wii U's sales in its first year will be unbelieveable.

Basically this. Nintendo fans will get it regardless.  Techno-weenie early adaptors would buy it anyway.   Unless Nintendo totally screwed up (which they haven't) WiiU will have solid sales (like sell-out) through the holidays and beginning of the new year.    It's from March on when the hype and the early demand has died off that we'll see WiiU's true potential and when price cuts / Super Slim models / info on 720/PS4 would really have a meaningful effect on WiiU's sales.

Although I'm sure Ms/Sony are more interested in their own sales than Nintendos, so they'll do what's right for them, more than what messes WiiU up.



 

brendude13 on 17 September 2012
DanneSandin said:
brendude13 said:

Being weakest doesn't mean it is going to take the lead either. It's not just about having the best graphics either, it's about creating a noticable jump from the last console so current PS3 and Xbox 360 owners don't feel ripped off.

I don't understand that part.

As the past two holidays have shown, Kinect pushed a shit load of systems. Sony doesn't have anything like that, which is why I didn't mention them.

One would think that 4x the memory should be enough for any gamer to get a WiiU - but that's not the case... To me that's quite the jump. But I understand if ppl are holding off to see what MSony has to bring next gen.

ok... what I wanted to say is; NOT having you biggest IP's ready at launch is a big mistake.

But will Kinect feel as fresh and new next year, when it comes with the console?

RAM isn't the only component. I never even mentioned the Wii U in the first place, I'm talking about the jump from PS3 to PS4 and Xbox 360 to Xbox 720.

It is a big mistake, but it isn't always possible. Especially when you're called Polyphony Digital.

Possibly, depends how Microsoft handle it. If it's upgraded and comes with the console as standard I would say yes.



DanneSandin on 17 September 2012
brendude13 said:
DanneSandin said:
brendude13 said:

Being weakest doesn't mean it is going to take the lead either. It's not just about having the best graphics either, it's about creating a noticable jump from the last console so current PS3 and Xbox 360 owners don't feel ripped off.

I don't understand that part.

As the past two holidays have shown, Kinect pushed a shit load of systems. Sony doesn't have anything like that, which is why I didn't mention them.

One would think that 4x the memory should be enough for any gamer to get a WiiU - but that's not the case... To me that's quite the jump. But I understand if ppl are holding off to see what MSony has to bring next gen.

ok... what I wanted to say is; NOT having you biggest IP's ready at launch is a big mistake.

But will Kinect feel as fresh and new next year, when it comes with the console?

RAM isn't the only component. I never even mentioned the Wii U in the first place, I'm talking about the jump from PS3 to PS4 and Xbox 360 to Xbox 720.

It is a big mistake, but it isn't always possible. Especially when you're called Polyphony Digital.

Possibly, depends how Microsoft handle it. If it's upgraded and comes with the console as standard I would say yes.

Oh my bad =) personally I don't think the jump will be that significant... More like PS1->PS2 kind of thing, which means WiiU won't look so bad...

Well, I read here somewhere just an hour ago that the biggest IP's rarely is released on launch....



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brendude13 on 17 September 2012
DanneSandin said:
brendude13 said:

RAM isn't the only component. I never even mentioned the Wii U in the first place, I'm talking about the jump from PS3 to PS4 and Xbox 360 to Xbox 720.

It is a big mistake, but it isn't always possible. Especially when you're called Polyphony Digital.

Possibly, depends how Microsoft handle it. If it's upgraded and comes with the console as standard I would say yes.

Oh my bad =) personally I don't think the jump will be that significant... More like PS1->PS2 kind of thing, which means WiiU won't look so bad...

Well, I read here somewhere just an hour ago that the biggest IP's rarely is released on launch....

It's not about making the Wii U look bad. Look what happened with the Wii, with the PS4 and Xbox 720 I don't think Microsoft and SONY can afford to make such expensive consoles. The Wii U will be behind, but not by much. There still needs to be a gap for current PS3 and Xbox 360 owners though. As a PS3 owner, I wouldn't upgrade to a PS4 if it had similar specs to the Wii U.

Yeah, they usually don't. :-/
Unless it's a platformer like Mario, it's hard to have big games ready for launch. The only game I can think of for the PS4 that could definitely release in the launch window is LittleBigPlanet.



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richardhutnik on 17 September 2012
maverick40 said:
They do nothing but laugh, right now the ps360 looks alot more tasty to the consumer than the Wii U. Sony are going to drop the price of the ps3 to 199 when the Wii U launches, the 360 will get a price drop too. They both have an incredible and cheap games library, excellent and proven online. The Wii U has alot of competition even before Sony/ Microsofts next gen consoles launch.

If the WiiU defines the approach next generation should take place, then the Wii U wins the next generation battle, along the lines of what the Wii did, and it won't matter what Sony and Microsoft do.  On the other hand if Sony and Microsoft nail it, they win.



small44 on 17 September 2012
DanneSandin said:
small44 said:

PS4 will be at least 2 time more power then Wii U and the price will be less then PS3 and Sony can release Gran Turismo 6  and Uncharted 4 day one.

And 2 times more powerful won't be a problem for WiiU...

WiiU is launching with Mario. Mario will rape the shit out of GT6 before doing the same to UC4... sry ;)

Gamecube had a mario but it fail 



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

DanneSandin on 17 September 2012
brendude13 said:
DanneSandin said:
brendude13 said:

RAM isn't the only component. I never even mentioned the Wii U in the first place, I'm talking about the jump from PS3 to PS4 and Xbox 360 to Xbox 720.

It is a big mistake, but it isn't always possible. Especially when you're called Polyphony Digital.

Possibly, depends how Microsoft handle it. If it's upgraded and comes with the console as standard I would say yes.

Oh my bad =) personally I don't think the jump will be that significant... More like PS1->PS2 kind of thing, which means WiiU won't look so bad...

Well, I read here somewhere just an hour ago that the biggest IP's rarely is released on launch....

It's not about making the Wii U look bad. Look what happened with the Wii, with the PS4 and Xbox 720 I don't think Microsoft and SONY can afford to make such expensive consoles. The Wii U will be behind, but not by much. There still needs to be a gap for current PS3 and Xbox 360 owners though. As a PS3 owner, I wouldn't upgrade to a PS4 if it had similar specs to the Wii U.

Yeah, they usually don't. :-/
Unless it's a platformer like Mario, it's hard to have big games ready for launch. The only game I can think of for the PS4 that could definitely release in the launch window is LittleBigPlanet.

Why wouldn't you upgrade is the specs were similar to WiiU? I mean, ZombiU looks good (not great, but really good) and I'd imagine that in 2-3 years time games will look twice as good. What will it take for you to get a PS4?

hehe yeah, you gotta love platformers! easy to make, fun to play! But isn't there a new LBP coming out soon?



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DanneSandin on 17 September 2012
small44 said:
DanneSandin said:
small44 said:

PS4 will be at least 2 time more power then Wii U and the price will be less then PS3 and Sony can release Gran Turismo 6  and Uncharted 4 day one.

And 2 times more powerful won't be a problem for WiiU...

WiiU is launching with Mario. Mario will rape the shit out of GT6 before doing the same to UC4... sry ;)

Gamecube had a mario but it fail 

yes, indeed it did. But that's because GC lacked 3rd party support. If WiiU gets good ports (not those bastard gimped versions Wii got) Nintendo will have all the games PS720 will get and Mario. I mean... That's good. What Playstation and Xbox thrive on is 3rd party support. Sure, Halo sell 10m units and GT about the same... But 2D Mario sell moar than 25m. 3D Mario sell 10m. Zelda sell 5-7m. Imagine if Nintendo had every 3rd party games as well as their own IP's...



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FrancisNobleman on 17 September 2012
FromDK said:

Sure they can effect wii u sales a litle.. but i think a wii u price cut to 250 for the basic model and 300 for deluxe (or new bundles) when nextbox and ps4 comes.. will hurt them a lot more..

And wii-r is comming.. why not reveal it, 1 month before next box

Wii R??