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the2real4mafol said:
haxxiy said:
the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:

I hope realise you i am not actually american, i just tend to follow it's politics. And if I was I would only pick Obama, just to keep Romney out! Republicans have had some decent presidents, but not out of these lot now. 

I think for now, I will try to ignore political ideology and see if anyone at all, can find a solutions to fix this bad economy, as "both" sides have not really got one, at least not yet. Thanks, for the debate and thanks for enlighting me.

Finally, maybe some socialist policies just don't work like very high taxes (france), to be honest I don't mind charging high rates that I wouldn't want to pay!

Just like how some conservative policies like America's war on drugs clearly are not stopping drug trade or gangs

 

That's not a conservative policy... Obama has stepped up the WoD further than any recent president in recent history via raids of legal marijuana dispensaries.

It was originally started by Richard Nixon wasn't it? Who was conservative (republican) And as Obama is tougher than Bush on drugs (a mistake), wouldn't that make Obama more conservative on the war on drugs (as a single issue) than Bush?


Genetic fallacy. Its origin bear no relevance whatsoever for the issue at hand. Anyways that's how you are going to define what is a conservative policy and what's not? Is there some kind of invisible aether around the concept who makes it inherently conservative because Nixon started it? 

well a liberal would just legalise it wouldn't they? Also, Nixon was quite conservative. I can't really add to that, but conservatives generally like to crimenalise drugs and anything they can (even though, president abe lincoln and presidents before him used to grow marijuana themselves.) To me, the war on drugs is just a failed policy, that I doubt liberals would start

Some liberals might, but this is an issue with a lot of crossover.  Currently, I would say the parties are both pretty divided over this issue.  Bill Clinton, Democrat, is the one that kicked the war on drugs into high gear.  

This is kind of a poor example of a conservative position though, as typically, conservatives are more for removing government regulation.  This is an example of government regulation and would normally be an issue pushed by liberals.  However, like I said, war on drugs is an odd issue that has both parties divided over it. 

Also, bolded is not true.  Another exagerated stereotype you are pulling out of nowhere...



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gergroy said:
the2real4mafol said:
haxxiy said:
the2real4mafol said:
mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:

I hope realise you i am not actually american, i just tend to follow it's politics. And if I was I would only pick Obama, just to keep Romney out! Republicans have had some decent presidents, but not out of these lot now. 

I think for now, I will try to ignore political ideology and see if anyone at all, can find a solutions to fix this bad economy, as "both" sides have not really got one, at least not yet. Thanks, for the debate and thanks for enlighting me.

Finally, maybe some socialist policies just don't work like very high taxes (france), to be honest I don't mind charging high rates that I wouldn't want to pay!

Just like how some conservative policies like America's war on drugs clearly are not stopping drug trade or gangs

 

That's not a conservative policy... Obama has stepped up the WoD further than any recent president in recent history via raids of legal marijuana dispensaries.

It was originally started by Richard Nixon wasn't it? Who was conservative (republican) And as Obama is tougher than Bush on drugs (a mistake), wouldn't that make Obama more conservative on the war on drugs (as a single issue) than Bush?


Genetic fallacy. Its origin bear no relevance whatsoever for the issue at hand. Anyways that's how you are going to define what is a conservative policy and what's not? Is there some kind of invisible aether around the concept who makes it inherently conservative because Nixon started it? 

well a liberal would just legalise it wouldn't they? Also, Nixon was quite conservative. I can't really add to that, but conservatives generally like to crimenalise drugs and anything they can (even though, president abe lincoln and presidents before him used to grow marijuana themselves.) To me, the war on drugs is just a failed policy, that I doubt liberals would start

Some liberals might, but this is an issue with a lot of crossover.  Currently, I would say the parties are both pretty divided over this issue.  Bill Clinton, Democrat, is the one that kicked the war on drugs into high gear.  

This is kind of a poor example of a conservative position though, as typically, conservatives are more for removing government regulation.  This is an example of government regulation and would normally be an issue pushed by liberals.  However, like I said, war on drugs is an odd issue that has both parties divided over it. 

Also, bolded is not true.  Another exagerated stereotype you are pulling out of nowhere...

I may be pulling ignorant steoreotypes on conservatives, but at least on this site, i'm knowing the truth from you guys. But I guess the stupid war on drugs is a cloudy issue (hard to say who backs it).

Well you might agree, that the war on drugs is a waste of time, effort and money. I believes this law, gives power to the mexican cartels and brazilian favela gangs, while america gets to arrest a portion of it's own people for taking drugs (not really a crime!) If drugs were legal, even if it was just marijuana at first, prison population would fall massively and so would gang crime i believe. Most of the western world is stupid for doing this policy (a few European countries don't like the netherlands)



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the2real4mafol said:
gergroy said:

Some liberals might, but this is an issue with a lot of crossover.  Currently, I would say the parties are both pretty divided over this issue.  Bill Clinton, Democrat, is the one that kicked the war on drugs into high gear.  

This is kind of a poor example of a conservative position though, as typically, conservatives are more for removing government regulation.  This is an example of government regulation and would normally be an issue pushed by liberals.  However, like I said, war on drugs is an odd issue that has both parties divided over it. 

Also, bolded is not true.  Another exagerated stereotype you are pulling out of nowhere...

I may be pulling ignorant steoreotypes on conservatives, but at least on this site, i'm knowing the truth from you guys. But I guess the stupid war on drugs is a cloudy issue (hard to say who backs it).

Well you might agree, that the war on drugs is a waste of time, effort and money. I believes this law, gives power to the mexican cartels and brazilian favela gangs, while america gets to arrest a portion of it's own people for taking drugs (not really a crime!) If drugs were legal, even if it was just marijuana at first, prison population would fall massively and so would gang crime i believe. Most of the western world is stupid for doing this policy (a few European countries don't like the netherlands)

Few here are going to argue that the WoD is one of the most epic failures in American history..

I know a lot of conservatives that are against it. Not sure what the split is, but I know a lot are against it, since its done little to fix things.



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mrstickball said:
the2real4mafol said:
gergroy said:

Some liberals might, but this is an issue with a lot of crossover.  Currently, I would say the parties are both pretty divided over this issue.  Bill Clinton, Democrat, is the one that kicked the war on drugs into high gear.  

This is kind of a poor example of a conservative position though, as typically, conservatives are more for removing government regulation.  This is an example of government regulation and would normally be an issue pushed by liberals.  However, like I said, war on drugs is an odd issue that has both parties divided over it. 

Also, bolded is not true.  Another exagerated stereotype you are pulling out of nowhere...

I may be pulling ignorant steoreotypes on conservatives, but at least on this site, i'm knowing the truth from you guys. But I guess the stupid war on drugs is a cloudy issue (hard to say who backs it).

Well you might agree, that the war on drugs is a waste of time, effort and money. I believes this law, gives power to the mexican cartels and brazilian favela gangs, while america gets to arrest a portion of it's own people for taking drugs (not really a crime!) If drugs were legal, even if it was just marijuana at first, prison population would fall massively and so would gang crime i believe. Most of the western world is stupid for doing this policy (a few European countries don't like the netherlands)

Few here are going to argue that the WoD is one of the most epic failures in American history..

I know a lot of conservatives that are against it. Not sure what the split is, but I know a lot are against it, since its done little to fix things.

yeah definitely, let's just end it here. We have gone so off topic lol!



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the2real4mafol said:

I may be pulling ignorant steoreotypes on conservatives, but at least on this site, i'm knowing the truth from you guys. But I guess the stupid war on drugs is a cloudy issue (hard to say who backs it).

Well you might agree, that the war on drugs is a waste of time, effort and money. I believes this law, gives power to the mexican cartels and brazilian favela gangs, while america gets to arrest a portion of it's own people for taking drugs (not really a crime!) If drugs were legal, even if it was just marijuana at first, prison population would fall massively and so would gang crime i believe. Most of the western world is stupid for doing this policy (a few European countries don't like the netherlands)


Would it... or would they just enforce other laws harder? There are a lot of special interests in both the police, and prison, games.



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SamuelRSmith said:
the2real4mafol said:

I may be pulling ignorant steoreotypes on conservatives, but at least on this site, i'm knowing the truth from you guys. But I guess the stupid war on drugs is a cloudy issue (hard to say who backs it).

Well you might agree, that the war on drugs is a waste of time, effort and money. I believes this law, gives power to the mexican cartels and brazilian favela gangs, while america gets to arrest a portion of it's own people for taking drugs (not really a crime!) If drugs were legal, even if it was just marijuana at first, prison population would fall massively and so would gang crime i believe. Most of the western world is stupid for doing this policy (a few European countries don't like the netherlands)


Would it... or would they just enforce other laws harder? There are a lot of special interests in both the police, and prison, games.

well it seems like a lot of people are arrested just for smoking illegal drugs and that's really it. I doubt America would have anywhere near such a high prison population

Got some facts... In 2005, 601 per 100,000 people arrested because of drug related crime, only 110 of those supplied drugs, the rest were caught posessing it.

Also, from 1980 to now an average of 120,000 to 130,000 arrests made because of drug posession or sale, a lot of people to arrest in one year. Even legalising just marijuana would bring that down surely 

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0327.pdf



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