Everything bar National insurance and capital gains taxes, are not taxes that have to be paid on a regular basis, especially if you don't have certain posessions. You don't pay fuel duty or road tax, if you don't fly. You don't pay import taxes, if you don't import or just smuggle goods in! Sales taxes like VAT are included in the price of goods anyway. If you don't own your own home, you don't pay property tax and so on, it's not like they can't afford it.

This is a terrible argument. If you don't own your home, you don't pay property tax? Well, this is false. You have to pay property tax on rented properties... if you don't, your landlord does, and he'll charge you through the rent. Unless you're advocating homelessness? And the same goes for your other points... fuel duty doesn't count because you don't pay it unless you drive? - Under this premise, National Insurance doesn't count, because you don't pay it unless you work!

Import taxes are fine because you can smuggle goods? Since when has that been an argument for import taxes? How can any legitamite business get away with that?

Sales taxes don't count because they're included in the price of goods? This is the hardest to understand. Prices are still 20% higher because of the taxman, which rips off the poor more than anybody else.

Ordinary people are expected to pay tax like this, maybe not so much, but they are more greatly effected by taxes, than a rich person. I have no simpathy for any rich person like that, they still have mansions, jets and limos don't they?

If you're talking about my family and friends, you're grossly mistaken on what being a millionaire can afford you. It means a comfortable life, sure. But it certainly doesn't mean jets or limos, and most millionaires will still need to go into work most days, or face homelessness.

YOU may expect "ordinary" people to pay those taxes, but I don't.

It's just pathetic, that as soon the state raises taxes or tries too, the rich are the first to leave! They still have lots of cash, so whats the problem?

"Ordinary" people would leave if they have their taxes increased, and they had the means to do so. It's just human nature (see the greed video below), rich people aren't any different from "ordinaries", they've just got greater means to do what everybody wants to do... if the rich people are fleeing, then there will be poor people who would want to follow, but can't.

And if higher taxes are not apart of the solution, then what is? Cutting clearly does not work, that makes an economy worse too.

Why is this clear? Make a statement like that, and you need to prove it.

Also, bad economies are caused by recklessness and dodgy dealings! Greed caused this bad economy, nothing else did

Fair enough, on your property tax, but you don't pay fuel duty if you don't drive and if you are unemployed and/or homeless, you are likely to pay few taxes, due to a lack of posessions. National Insurance is a 5% tax on all jobs, if you are unemployed you don't pay for it. Unless, benefits are taxed in some way?

I never said "Import taxes are fine because you can smuggle goods". No i said, if you smuggle stuff in, you avoid the tax althoghter, I know its illegal. But people do it with booze and cigarettes some how.

Also, VAT is set at 20% on most not all goods, which effects more expensive goods than cheaper ones. Still alot though.

I feel like I live a confortable life and I live in a household that earns just £20,000 and I live in North London, so millionaires do have a very good life in comparison, maybe I exagerate but still, they get alot better than someone with a low wage. I don't believe you, if they are struggling. Nonsense!

I don't think people with lower wages should have to pay as much as the rich in % of their income that's all. I would agree with low taxes for all, if the economy was fine actually.

Ordinary people will of cause leave, if they face high taxes but it's far more difficult and risky for them than the rich. The rich could just jump on a plane and fly to their new country, while a poorer person would have to risk everything, even there life to move to a better place. The wealth just makes it easier to migrate safely.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12662756

Look at how overcrowded that boat is, for them north african emmigrants, you would not see rich people flee like that!

You question me why cutting spending don't work in an economy? Ok, i will prove it. Let's look at Greece is suffering high and very tough austerity measures.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/9095554/Greek-economy-the-key-figures.html

As you can see debt is way up, while the economy just shrinks and shrinks, with half a million leaving Greece in just 3 years! Also, the unemployment is at a record 1 million, which is 21%! (bare in mind, greece is home to just 11 million people)

Spain is very similiar, with lots of austerity and record unemployment of 25% 

http://www.economy.com/dismal/outlook/country.aspx?geo=IESP

The Euro zone even mirrors this, with unemployment up and industry and trade way down!

http://www.economy.com/dismal/outlook/country.aspx?geo=IEUZN

I spose this come to the conclusion that high taxes+cutting (austerity) = disaster. 

That video is sadly the truth, if the people don't get greddy, the state does. In this case France, they will learn the hard way probably.

Finally, the saying goes "money is the root of all evil" and it's true! The emphasise on money caused greed and this shity economy

Enlightenment is good!

You question me why cutting spending don't work in an economy? Ok, i will prove it. Let's look at Greece is suffering high and very tough austerity measures.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/9095554/Greek-economy-the-key-figures.html

As you can see debt is way up, while the economy just shrinks and shrinks, with half a million leaving Greece in just 3 years! Also, the unemployment is at a record 1 million, which is 21%! (bare in mind, greece is home to just 11 million people)

Spain is very similiar, with lots of austerity and record unemployment of 25% 

http://www.economy.com/dismal/outlook/country.aspx?geo=IESP

The Euro zone even mirrors this, with unemployment up and industry and trade way down!

http://www.economy.com/dismal/outlook/country.aspx?geo=IEUZN

I spose this come to the conclusion that high taxes+cutting (austerity) = disaster. 

That video is sadly the truth, if the people don't get greddy, the state does. In this case France, they will learn the hard way probably.

Finally, the saying goes "money is the root of all evil" and it's true! The emphasise on money caused greed and this shity economy

Enlightenment is good!

I'm not going to address your previous points, because, seriously, I can't work out what you're trying to say.

source: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/looking-at-austerity-in-greece/

In terms of real money (that is, accounting for inflation), Government spending in Greece has gone up every year.

The same is true in most European countries, spending has actually increased (including the UK). The only "austerity" is that spending has increased at a slower rate than it should have done. That, and increased taxes. With the way that special interests are so deeply routed into the system, it's physically impossible for any real spending cuts to occur.

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Greed is good! It's because of our desire to lead better lives, that we do, in fact, lead better lives. Seriously, if you really want to know what caused this mess, go read up on Austrian economics. I'll get you started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDkNPNSgiaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmYtyl8s05w&list=UUmT6-ChKpaiIVu2fhEIsNtQ&index=0&feature=plcp

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Money is the root of all evil? ... Question: do you know what money is?

I don't know how well the greek economy was doing from 2000 to 2009, but since then it has shrunk by 5 to 7% a year since then. It is incredibly weak there. And who is lying then? As, we always here of spending cuts and austerity on the news and I mean ALWAYS. If spending cuts are not happening, then it should not be said so much in the media! Capitalism is flawed like this, as we seem to believe that growth in wealth is infinite, which it is not. Economies peak and decline, after major growth. Economic growth in Europe has for now peaked and is declining like it did in the 1970's. 

Greed is not good, it may aspire people, but it can just as easily corrupt them and be complete bastards to get there, destroying society in the end. If money was not so corrupting, then it would be ok. I mean people fight over it, over something that does not make you any happier.

To answer your question, money is the power to purchase goods and services. You have more power, the wealthier you are. And what I mean By money is the root of all evil? Well, arguably the already rich do whatever to become richer, without a care in the world. And by that, in the USA for example they bribe and corrupt the system (especially when republicans have power) in order to get tax cuts, which illegitimately gives them more power. As, the so called representatives do what the billionaire says, and lets an ordinary person go without and let whole towns go bankcrupt. That's the reality of the US political system now.

Finally, yeah i'll watch those videos and see 

Have you been watching some kind of propaganda videos?  What you are saying actually doesn't compute in the real world.  First of all, the extremely rich are often some of the most generous people in the world.  Look at Bill Gates and how much he gives to charity, are you saying he doesn't care at all about people less fortunate then himself?  

One of the biggest problems I have with your little speal here is the especially republicans part.  You don't think Democrats are guilty as well?  Who do you think benefits when democrats are in power?  Unions, clean energy, infrastructure jobs, etc.  Who do you think donates and funds most democratic efforts?  Now look at the democrats records, are you saying these people aren't getting paid off?  Seriously?  Do me a favor, and do a google search for solyndra please.

I think it is time to get off the propagand bus buddy.

Why would I have been watching propaganda videos? What if this is how I see the influence of money, nothing wrong with that is there? Few men think alike.

People like Bill Gates are generous now and even set up their own charities, but how many do that, when they first start? I'm not writing him off like that, but not all rich people are generous like that.

I never said the Democrats don't corrupt the system at all, I said that it is all the more likely that Republicans do it more often, with more money involved. Really, money just should not be involved in politics like it is, both parties 2012 campaigns cost millions of dollars while more and more people become homeless and unemployed, where's the justice in that?!

Finally, how can you say I have been brainwashed with "propaganda"? What's saying you have not been brainwashed yourself? 

I'm a leftie in politics, i generally believe in marxist and sometimes liberal (in the european sense, not the american sense) views. ok

when they first start out? Like before they become rich?  So are you complaigning that people arent generous before they have money to be generous with?And yes, most rich people are very generous like that.

I know what yo said about how republicans are more corruptible and im telling you that that is just crap and is not true. Both parties have huge records of crony dealings and are equally bad. I mean, look at mccain and obama, who do you think is the most corrupt between them? Mccain has championed campaign finace reform and ran on public financing, obama refused because he could make more money in back alley deals which lead to things like solyndra happening durring his administration. For some reason you think republicans are more guilty even though there is democrats have been the ones in power lately and all the crony dealings have been mostly coming from democrats lately. Heres a little tip for ya, the party in power is usually the most corrupt as they have the power.

Also, just think about your little speal there about how money in politics is being wasted as people become homeless and unemployed.  What do you think happens to that money that is being spent, is it just going straight to the trash can, or maybe it is paying for ads and campaign staffers that create tons of jobs. How many people do you think have jobs because of get out to vot efforts or business that thrive from making signs and bumper stickers? The money being spent is creating jobs buddy.

The reason i accuse you of having watched propaganda is because your understanding of politics and issues seems to be completely one sided. Honestly, if you want to understand something you have to look at all the options.  If two people have a disagreement you dont just listen to one side and the agree the other person was wrong, you have to listen to both sides of the story. From the way you talk, it doesnt seem like you understand both sides at all. It seems like you listened to one side and decided you agreed with it.

Personally, im a centrist. Im not a republican or a democrat and i tend to look at both sides of the argument. There are areas that i think republicans are right and there areas that i think democrats are right, but neither side is right on every issue.