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naruto on 17 January 2008
bluster said:
naznatips said:
naruto said:

this how the way i see it third party japanese games on Wii, 360 and PS3 are bad in general

so if japanese developer i try to make games on PS2, DS or PSP

it's simple Japan is becoming fully Portable gaming lovers Period.


I'd agree with that statement in general, but that doesn't stop developers from trying.  There are far more JRPGS announced for the Wii than the PS3 and 360 right now. Lots of artistic games like Oboro Muramasa and King's Story are in development for the console as well.   It's true that the recession has hit the home console market hard in Japan, but the 3rd party market that's left really is given no choice but to make Wii games if they wish to develop for a home console.  


Exactly!

When a japanese developer plans to bring a JPRG or other Japan oriented title, is going to put it in the console that sells the most software and has lowest costs, or is it going to put in a console that struggle to sell more games than machines?

Support is coming. At least in Japan. Just wait a couple of month till Square Enix drops the bomb ;)


think about it what is the point of games on the wii  if it's going to bomb because japanese Wii gamers are buying Wii fit, Mario Galaxy, Wii Play and all the other mini games



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Avinash_Tyagi on 17 January 2008

Third arties are whining because it takes more effort for them to do well on the Wii, the game has to be excellent and they have to advertse like there is no tommorow and they don't or can't do it



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

MeowTheMouse on 17 January 2008
Neos said:
naruto said:
Neos said:
point?

he saying that third party games not sell beside RE4 and RE UC


 i do not agree, sorry.


i dont not agree either

3rd parties are doing well

no more heroes is one game that didnt do good in japan... many games dont do well in japan those days especially on consoles.

only thing that is worknig in japan is ds/psp



weezy on 17 January 2008
Legend11 said:
naruto said:

http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2008/01/16/77284/

I'm on the phone with the president of a big development studio yesterday. His teams have created an original IP for Wii. It's dark and scary. And while every publisher they've met up with has loved the premise and execution of the game, few of them want to touch it. Why? Nobody believes it will sell on Wii. Let me just drive that home. Publishers think it's an amazing effort. But not for Wii.


Things like that are the reason I argued against people in another thread who claim that the Wii is going to get all the big third party games and the 360 and PS3 would be left with basically nothing.  I still don't understand the reasoning of Wii fanboys who keep arguing that.  I mean it seems like one third party executive after another says the same thing that Matt has posted in his blog.  Even the companies that do come out and support the Wii (like Square Enix) seem to have doubts about the Wii and are still supporting the PS3 and 360. 

I guess we'll wait to see who was right (some of the fanboys I've argued with said all the support would shift at the start of 2008, others said it would be E3 2008 when all the major franchise titles like Resident Evil 5 are cancelled on the 360/PS3/PC are moved over to Wii).  I guess we'll know in a few months who was right and who was talking out of their ass.


Legend just relax dude. Dont take at heart everything fanboys have to say.

Once Square announces some titles for Wii? PLUS 10million Wii consoles sold alone.Sqaure isnt supporting Sony fully this time around like ps1/ps2. So + for Wii

Right now all the owners of Wii are Nintendo fans.

This is a new age for Nintendo.  Videogame fans will not be dissapointed.

 



I am WEEzY. You can suck my Nintendo loving BALLS!

 

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Legend11 on 17 January 2008
naruto said:
bluster said:
naznatips said:
naruto said:

this how the way i see it third party japanese games on Wii, 360 and PS3 are bad in general

so if japanese developer i try to make games on PS2, DS or PSP

it's simple Japan is becoming fully Portable gaming lovers Period.


I'd agree with that statement in general, but that doesn't stop developers from trying.  There are far more JRPGS announced for the Wii than the PS3 and 360 right now. Lots of artistic games like Oboro Muramasa and King's Story are in development for the console as well.   It's true that the recession has hit the home console market hard in Japan, but the 3rd party market that's left really is given no choice but to make Wii games if they wish to develop for a home console.  


Exactly!

When a japanese developer plans to bring a JPRG or other Japan oriented title, is going to put it in the console that sells the most software and has lowest costs, or is it going to put in a console that struggle to sell more games than machines?

Support is coming. At least in Japan. Just wait a couple of month till Square Enix drops the bomb ;)


think about it what is the point of games on the wii  if it's going to bomb because japanese Wii gamers are buying Wii fit, Mario Galaxy, Wii Play and all the other mini games


That's basically the reason why many of the major Japanese third parties like Capcom, Konami, and even Square Enix are now looking to the West for growth.  Even the smaller Japanese studios like Koei are looking West (they have set up a new development studio in Canada).  It seems like it's chaos over there as nothing seems to stick for many third parties on the Wii and there's currently not enough PS3s or 360s sold there in order to help third parties.



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hibikir on 17 January 2008

Really big sales on any console have to target the casual audience or have a large marketing effort. Let's look at the top 20 games of the year, by sales in the US:

Wii Sports - Bundled. Casual. Heavily advertised
Halo 3 - So heavily advertised it made us all puke
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl - Casual. Heavily Advertised
Wii Play - Casual. Bundled with a controler. Heavily advertised.
Forza Motorsport 2 - Bundled. Heavily Advertised
Super Mario Galaxy - Not quite so heavily advertised, but it's freaking Mario.
Guitar Hero 3 - Casual. Heavily advertised
Nintendogs - Casual. Some advertisements
Call of Duty 4 - Heavily Advertised.
Mario Party 8 - Casual. Heavily Advertised
Marvel Ultimate Alliance - Casual. Bundled. Some Ads
Guitar Hero 2 - Casual, Heavily Advertised.
Madden - Casual. Heavily Advertised.
Assassin's Creed - Heavily Advertised
Super Mario DS - Heavily Advertised. More Mario
Twilight Princess - Heavily Advertised. Big Franchise. The only serious game in the console for MONTHS
Motorstorm - Casual. Heavily Advertised.

And I could continue for a while until I found a game that had a very small ad campaign and sold copies, like Diddy Kong Racing DS, which at least has a recognizable name.



routsounmanman on 17 January 2008
naruto said:
bluster said:
naznatips said:
naruto said:

this how the way i see it third party japanese games on Wii, 360 and PS3 are bad in general

so if japanese developer i try to make games on PS2, DS or PSP

it's simple Japan is becoming fully Portable gaming lovers Period.


I'd agree with that statement in general, but that doesn't stop developers from trying. There are far more JRPGS announced for the Wii than the PS3 and 360 right now. Lots of artistic games like Oboro Muramasa and King's Story are in development for the console as well. It's true that the recession has hit the home console market hard in Japan, but the 3rd party market that's left really is given no choice but to make Wii games if they wish to develop for a home console.


Exactly!

When a japanese developer plans to bring a JPRG or other Japan oriented title, is going to put it in the console that sells the most software and has lowest costs, or is it going to put in a console that struggle to sell more games than machines?

Support is coming. At least in Japan. Just wait a couple of month till Square Enix drops the bomb ;)


think about it what is the point of games on the wii if it's going to bomb because japanese Wii gamers are buying Wii fit, Mario Galaxy, Wii Play and all the other mini games


I think many Japanese would take a FF or a DQ (not spin-offs) over Wii Sports and Wii Play. But even if what you say is true, I don't seem to get the reason why these two cannot co-exist rather than eat each other sales up. Nintendo has clearly shown that they can; MP3, Mario Galaxy, SSBB alongside MP8, Wii Sports and WarioWare.



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Legend11 on 17 January 2008
weezy said:
Legend11 said:
naruto said:

http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2008/01/16/77284/

I'm on the phone with the president of a big development studio yesterday. His teams have created an original IP for Wii. It's dark and scary. And while every publisher they've met up with has loved the premise and execution of the game, few of them want to touch it. Why? Nobody believes it will sell on Wii. Let me just drive that home. Publishers think it's an amazing effort. But not for Wii.


Things like that are the reason I argued against people in another thread who claim that the Wii is going to get all the big third party games and the 360 and PS3 would be left with basically nothing.  I still don't understand the reasoning of Wii fanboys who keep arguing that.  I mean it seems like one third party executive after another says the same thing that Matt has posted in his blog.  Even the companies that do come out and support the Wii (like Square Enix) seem to have doubts about the Wii and are still supporting the PS3 and 360. 

I guess we'll wait to see who was right (some of the fanboys I've argued with said all the support would shift at the start of 2008, others said it would be E3 2008 when all the major franchise titles like Resident Evil 5 are cancelled on the 360/PS3/PC are moved over to Wii).  I guess we'll know in a few months who was right and who was talking out of their ass.


Legend just relax dude. Dont take at heart everything fanboys have to say.


I don't, I actually just laugh at how naive some of them are.



naznatips on 17 January 2008
Legend11 said:
naruto said:
bluster said:
naznatips said:
naruto said:

this how the way i see it third party japanese games on Wii, 360 and PS3 are bad in general

so if japanese developer i try to make games on PS2, DS or PSP

it's simple Japan is becoming fully Portable gaming lovers Period.


I'd agree with that statement in general, but that doesn't stop developers from trying. There are far more JRPGS announced for the Wii than the PS3 and 360 right now. Lots of artistic games like Oboro Muramasa and King's Story are in development for the console as well. It's true that the recession has hit the home console market hard in Japan, but the 3rd party market that's left really is given no choice but to make Wii games if they wish to develop for a home console.


Exactly!

When a japanese developer plans to bring a JPRG or other Japan oriented title, is going to put it in the console that sells the most software and has lowest costs, or is it going to put in a console that struggle to sell more games than machines?

Support is coming. At least in Japan. Just wait a couple of month till Square Enix drops the bomb ;)


think about it what is the point of games on the wii if it's going to bomb because japanese Wii gamers are buying Wii fit, Mario Galaxy, Wii Play and all the other mini games


That's basically the reason why many of the major Japanese third parties like Capcom, Konami, and even Square Enix are now looking to the West for growth. Even the smaller Japanese studios like Koei are looking West (they have set up a new development studio in Canada). It seems like it's chaos over there as nothing seems to stick for many third parties on the Wii and there's currently not enough PS3s or 360s sold there in order to help third parties.


I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that they are looking to the West. Sega, Namco, Capcom, and Square Enix comprise the major Japanese developers (Koei in the past, but they have been slowly dying for years). Sega and Namco are publishing the vast majority of their games (and RPGs in Namco's case) on the Wii. Capcom has given fairly even support accross the board, but they gave their strongest Japanese franchise to the Wii (Monster Hunter).

Square Enix is certainly trying to spread out their support this generation, but they have publicly denounced the Xbox only recently, while stating the DS, Wii, and PS3 were their primary focuses. None of which are particularly Western based... They did make a multiplat with a Western Engine in Last Remnant, but the success of that game both in Japan and in the west remains to be seen. So far, every attempt at a quality RPG on the 360 has been a huge megaflop in sales.



Shade on 17 January 2008

       )Warning the following contains the ramblings of a angry Nintendo fan. You have been warned(

This gets me so F**kin mad it not funny. Here’s what I don’t get, why is it that all these so called video game analyst even the developers themselves fail to understand that not every game sells extremely well. Look at the list of games they always put in the category of not selling well on the Wii.

Zack @ Wiki:QFBT, I would agree with them if Capcom themselves were even expecting it to sells well themselves. If you want a game to sell well you have to advertise it and as far as I can tel they lacked severely in that field for this one. P.S. these one hasn’t even been released everywhere yet so they should be patience and wait until it does to pass judgments on the sells first.

Resident Evil 4. Yeah sure they can argue that it’s a port of a very successful IP of last gen which may have boosted the sells. However how does this explain the lower sells of Ninja Gaiden Stigma for the PS3? Both are ports yes? both are good ports correct? But that’s beside the point the main point is how much were they expecting from a two year old port? Because it seems that they are not satisfied with it I guess they wanted more then 1.34 million.

Metroid Prime 3 Corruption. This one is very cherry picking (as fishy Joe says). The first Metroid Prime sold 2.77million copies while MP2 sold 1.28million while MP3 sold 1.08million in just 5 months compared to the lifetime sells of MP2. Now Metroid has never sold as well as a game like Halo, but now correct me if I’m wrong but have all but I Metroid game (DS Metroid Pinball) sold over a million? Once again I’m at a lost to why the wii version is any different from the others especially MP2 (since it was released on a system with 2 million more users then the Wii).

No More Heroes. Haven’t Suda games never reached past the half a million point? Hasn’t this game already outsold Killer 7 in Japan already? How is this a argument against the Wii? If anything NMH has a chance to be the first game Sude created to finally make it pass half a million mark. Also I don’t have to mention that it’s yet to be released outside of Japan yet. I know now that SSBB is delayed that this will definitely get a purchase from me.

Now that I got that rant out of the way on to the third party developers: Grow some damn balls and STOP COMPLAINING about low sells. If they go into a game that way why is it that they’re willing to invest millions of dollars in the PS3/Xbox 360 games when some of the game end up being failures sells wises? Just look at games like Strangle Hold and how much midway lost on that game (and how much they attempted to gain some of it back with C n’ W). If some developers stop using the Wii as a backup console then they will see the sells that they desire. End/rant