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phenom08 on 26 August 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Baron said:
DakonBlackblade said:
Baron said:

DakonBlackblade said:

I was reading trought the thread and i found this here, this post is just wow, you got it all figured out alread man, you know exactly how the next gem "console war" will happen years before it even starts, youre fantastic. Ever considered a career as a psychic ?

Trying to predict the future much maybe ?

O and the "flop" PS3, as you called it, is the best selling console this year by far, it also happens to be selling faster tham the 360 when you line up the launches since ever and in theory holds the bigest chunk of the conventional gamers market, Wii sold more but mostly cause it sold to a diferent market tham 360 and PS3 did, the HD twins shared the more conventional (many times called hardcore but i dont realy like that term) gamers market, Wii only got a small share of those onboard, wich is why the WiiU is aiming to keep pleasing the casuals but also apeal to this market they couldnt get last generation by making a more powerfull machine capable of getting 3rd parties interested in developing theyre big games for Nintendo as well.

 

I think the sucess of the WiiU depends on how much ppl will decide to comit to this new console even before knowing anythign about the next box and the new playstation. If Nintendo has a good marketing strat and realy delivers an interesting enought product its on the right way to be the top seller console next gem, if it fails to impress ppl will choose to wait and them itll be all about how superior or not the new Microsoft and Sony conseles are.

The PS3 selling the most this year still doesn't change the fact that it's been a flop for Sony. Not only have they lost a significant part of their market share but they've been making a loss ever since the PS3 was launched. If something makes less money than what has been spent on it then it's a flop.

I also don't see how the PS3 holds the biggest chunk of the conventional gamers market. The main reason the PS3 has been catching up to the 360 is because the 360 just doesn't and will never sell in Japan. That's about a 7 million advantage for Sony right there. But install base is nowhere near a good indication of what kind of gamers own a specific console. I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really.

So if you're gonna criticize someones predictions at least make sure you use facts yourself. And leave personal feelings as they are, don't mistake those for facts either.

So the Japanese dont count as gammers them ? What are they ? I could use the same argument to say that the only reason 360 even sold as much as it did is because it has a bigger chunk of the American market, but that also wouldnt make any sense cause the American gamers are as much a gamer as any other gamer in the world, just like the Japanese.

360 wil always sell more software per unit cause Americans consume more tham any other ppl, since they have a bigger chunk of this market they sell more softwares, mainly shooters wich is the favored genre of the American conventional gamer, the software market is simply put biger on the USA, therefore its expected that whiechever console holds that market will sell more softwares. Still PS3s software sales overall isnt far behind.

Ppl also tend to forget that the PS3 didnt sell as well as the PS2 because the 360 is a great console, the PS2 didnt have any real competition therefore ruled supreme, its expected that a product wont domain the market if it has good competiton. Its happening with the smartphone market for instance, Apple was completly dominant for awhile, them Sansung started making some great quality smartphones, now the market is getting divided.

The Wii undeniable sold to a diferent market tham the HD twins, wich basicaly shared a market that was exclusive to the PS2 on the previous generation, or do you think Nintendo wants ot apeal to the conventional gamers with WiiU because they were happy with how many copys they sold to this market ? Wii also had a very week 3rd party support because of it casualness and Nintendo want to have that suport this time around, I think they ahve the right idea with WiiU here apealing to both casuals and conventionals, it all depends on how well they put that idea to pratice.

Like I said, basing the type of gamers on install base is flawed. As is using any other argument to make console x look like more of a gamers console than console y. That's why I said "I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really."

You make it look like the PS3 is the only console for 'real' gamers. I disagree. I say 'real' gamers own (or would like to have) multiple platforms.

 

And your 360 assessment is also just a baseless assumption. Where has it been proven that Americans buy more games than Europeans or Japanese?
I also never said the Japanese are not real gamers. I only said Sony (and Nintendo) has a clear advantage because Microsoft will never be able to establish a significant install base there.


Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts. The 360 is the most popular console via marketing in the American media. Sony hasn't had an exclusives drought since 2007 (basically its first two years). The 360 sells more because the top third parties are available on the console, but as with any gen whoever reaches popularity first sells the most copies. I doubt any console will ever outsell Microsoft in shooters...but everything else is up for grabs and Im sure with next gen it this will be even more apparent.

Yes all of this according to S.T.A.G.E, who probably predicted the PS3 would kill this gen. The PS3 is the gamers console because it has a bunch of exclusives that nobody buys? Yea ok.  Kinect released in 2010 and the Wii sold the most so how did Kinect hurt the Wii?  How about since the Wii still has the highest selling casual games, Just Dance 4 will obviously sell the most on the Wii and more than any other casual game so where exactly is your proof of the casuals moving on? But dont worry i know where your proof is, you made it up.



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phenom08 on 26 August 2012
Baron said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts.

More exclusives =/= best games library. The Wii has the most exclusives. Why don't you consider that console to be the gamers consoleBe

Because its Ninty, even better why dont Sony gamers even support Sony games?



teigaga on 26 August 2012
GhaudePhaede010 said:
teigaga said:
lilbroex said:
prayformojo said:
teigaga said:
 

Its actually really simple, the Wii U is not powerfull enough for most people to get excited for from a graphical standpoint, all of these articles suggesting that its a tad weaker, a tad stronger or excactly the same all point reaffirm this point. Its firmly attached to the the level of visuals be seeing for the last few years. It annoys me that most nintendo fan want to believe that everyone with something to say other then praise is automatically a nintendo hater, they are simply people with valid opinions; The Wii U is not cutting edge tech. Of course time is a consideration because what was cutting edge and impressive in 2008, no longer is in 2012. Thats how technology works.

I'm buying the Wii U at launch but I don't feel any need to pretend or delude myself into thinking thats its a graphical powerhouse that will usher in a new era of animation, lighting, physics, A.I etc. 

Until Nintendo shows Starwars 1313 or a game of the graphical quality running off the system, then we should all just except the fact the Wii U is simply a minor graphical improvement over the current gen consoles, similar to gamecube vs wii.

Iwata said that the gap between Wii-U and the other systems won't be as wide as it was this gen. Nintendo isn't going to make a beast of a console and destroy the other two, but they know they screwed up last time and I don't think they'd do it again. I think at worst, we're looking at a Dreamcast to Xbox difference and that's fine imo. I loved the Dreamcast, and even though it was clearly behind the Xbox, it was much more fun to play (I had all four consoles that gen). I don't remember EVER thinking "man, the Dreamcast looks like crap". As a matter of fact, I didn't even WANT another console. The only reason I bought a PS2 was because the Dreamcast died at it's hand and I HAD to move on.

The Wii-U will be fine.


I still don't get this. How did they screw up? They won this gen. If the Wii completely stopped selling right this instant, the PS3 and 360 would still never catch it in sells. As Reggie said, they had the best specs the two gens before this one and those have been their worst two gens.

The only people I can think of who didn't like the Wii were the kind who only play miliant shooters and medieval/ancient sword fighting games like Uncharted, God of War and Dark Souls. Oh, and the ever classic graphics fanatics, because if it doesn't look photorealistic(which has only been achieved with ames that used actual photos like Mortal Kombat 1-3) then its no good to them.

People who preferred playing anything aside from those categories generally liked the Wii and DS.

I wonder, with all of the people who say the Wii U has bad graphics, do the PS3 and 360 also now have bad graphics since theirs are not as good as the Wii U?


No one is suggesting they screwed up in a commercial sense but I think wii's library beyond 2009 has been pretty terrible. Detach personal bias and taste, and I simply believe there was not enough diverse high QUALITY titles on the system to cater to various demographics. 

From a crirical perspective the wii has been brilliant for party games and platformers, but I think most people want a more well rounded system and so do Nintendo HQ. Not to say that they're perfect but I think the HD twins have done a better job of satisfying the full range of their audiences over the full length of their lifes. I think this is the main basis of people critcising the Wii as a console. 


Here I was thinking I was done contributing to this topic when I see the second sentence of this post... followed by the second half of the second sentence of this post. "Detach personal bias and taste..." followed by, "I simply believe..." personal bias and taste. Nice.

To clarify

"Detach personal bias and taste..." is in reference to ones gaming preferences. I.E some people like platformers more then shooters. Remove that from the equation and simply look at the quantity/variety of games across the various different genres available on the platform. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 August 2012
Baron said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts.

More exclusives =/= best games library. The Wii has the most exclusives. Why don't you consider that console to be the gamers console?


The Wii has the most exclusives but they are not rated the highest. The PS3 has the highest rated exclusives of all the consoles, then comes the 360 and then the Wii. Why might you ask? The Wii's highest rated exclusives are first party, but their third party exclusive shovelware list is the largest percentage Ive seen. The PS2 had a higher percentage of high rated exclusives than the Wii did for sure. Way beyond it really. Most of the third parties really sucked at harnessing the Wii's attributes and that hurt it in that realm alot. The Wii is not the gamers console, it was the casual console but when the Kinect launched it weakened the Wii's sales numbers with the casuals. The core third party titles that were actually good on the Wii were having a hard time selling and people were wondering why. Well...its kind of obvious...the core aren't buying on the Wii but as for Nintendo first party its business as usual selling extremely well (especially in bundles).



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 August 2012
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Baron said:
DakonBlackblade said:
Baron said:

DakonBlackblade said:

I was reading trought the thread and i found this here, this post is just wow, you got it all figured out alread man, you know exactly how the next gem "console war" will happen years before it even starts, youre fantastic. Ever considered a career as a psychic ?

Trying to predict the future much maybe ?

O and the "flop" PS3, as you called it, is the best selling console this year by far, it also happens to be selling faster tham the 360 when you line up the launches since ever and in theory holds the bigest chunk of the conventional gamers market, Wii sold more but mostly cause it sold to a diferent market tham 360 and PS3 did, the HD twins shared the more conventional (many times called hardcore but i dont realy like that term) gamers market, Wii only got a small share of those onboard, wich is why the WiiU is aiming to keep pleasing the casuals but also apeal to this market they couldnt get last generation by making a more powerfull machine capable of getting 3rd parties interested in developing theyre big games for Nintendo as well.

 

I think the sucess of the WiiU depends on how much ppl will decide to comit to this new console even before knowing anythign about the next box and the new playstation. If Nintendo has a good marketing strat and realy delivers an interesting enought product its on the right way to be the top seller console next gem, if it fails to impress ppl will choose to wait and them itll be all about how superior or not the new Microsoft and Sony conseles are.

The PS3 selling the most this year still doesn't change the fact that it's been a flop for Sony. Not only have they lost a significant part of their market share but they've been making a loss ever since the PS3 was launched. If something makes less money than what has been spent on it then it's a flop.

I also don't see how the PS3 holds the biggest chunk of the conventional gamers market. The main reason the PS3 has been catching up to the 360 is because the 360 just doesn't and will never sell in Japan. That's about a 7 million advantage for Sony right there. But install base is nowhere near a good indication of what kind of gamers own a specific console. I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really.

So if you're gonna criticize someones predictions at least make sure you use facts yourself. And leave personal feelings as they are, don't mistake those for facts either.

So the Japanese dont count as gammers them ? What are they ? I could use the same argument to say that the only reason 360 even sold as much as it did is because it has a bigger chunk of the American market, but that also wouldnt make any sense cause the American gamers are as much a gamer as any other gamer in the world, just like the Japanese.

360 wil always sell more software per unit cause Americans consume more tham any other ppl, since they have a bigger chunk of this market they sell more softwares, mainly shooters wich is the favored genre of the American conventional gamer, the software market is simply put biger on the USA, therefore its expected that whiechever console holds that market will sell more softwares. Still PS3s software sales overall isnt far behind.

Ppl also tend to forget that the PS3 didnt sell as well as the PS2 because the 360 is a great console, the PS2 didnt have any real competition therefore ruled supreme, its expected that a product wont domain the market if it has good competiton. Its happening with the smartphone market for instance, Apple was completly dominant for awhile, them Sansung started making some great quality smartphones, now the market is getting divided.

The Wii undeniable sold to a diferent market tham the HD twins, wich basicaly shared a market that was exclusive to the PS2 on the previous generation, or do you think Nintendo wants ot apeal to the conventional gamers with WiiU because they were happy with how many copys they sold to this market ? Wii also had a very week 3rd party support because of it casualness and Nintendo want to have that suport this time around, I think they ahve the right idea with WiiU here apealing to both casuals and conventionals, it all depends on how well they put that idea to pratice.

Like I said, basing the type of gamers on install base is flawed. As is using any other argument to make console x look like more of a gamers console than console y. That's why I said "I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really."

You make it look like the PS3 is the only console for 'real' gamers. I disagree. I say 'real' gamers own (or would like to have) multiple platforms.

 

And your 360 assessment is also just a baseless assumption. Where has it been proven that Americans buy more games than Europeans or Japanese?
I also never said the Japanese are not real gamers. I only said Sony (and Nintendo) has a clear advantage because Microsoft will never be able to establish a significant install base there.


Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts. The 360 is the most popular console via marketing in the American media. Sony hasn't had an exclusives drought since 2007 (basically its first two years). The 360 sells more because the top third parties are available on the console, but as with any gen whoever reaches popularity first sells the most copies. I doubt any console will ever outsell Microsoft in shooters...but everything else is up for grabs and Im sure with next gen it this will be even more apparent.

Yes all of this according to S.T.A.G.E, who probably predicted the PS3 would kill this gen. The PS3 is the gamers console because it has a bunch of exclusives that nobody buys? Yea ok.  Kinect released in 2010 and the Wii sold the most so how did Kinect hurt the Wii?  How about since the Wii still has the highest selling casual games, Just Dance 4 will obviously sell the most on the Wii and more than any other casual game so where exactly is your proof of the casuals moving on? But dont worry i know where your proof is, you made it up.

I didnt predict the PS3 would kill this gen. I did say the PS3 would walk out of this gen the most respected and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to lower the gap with Microsoft further. If you've read what I've written in the past the achillies heel of the PS3 accomplishing surpassing the Xbox 360 are three things:

1. Kinect

2. Halo 4

3. Gears of War

As for the third parties bit, I've always said third parties will have a harder time on a Nintendo console than the first parties (especially the core titles). Please prove that point wrong. It's called observation, whether you think I am making it up is purely up to you.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 August 2012
phenom08 said:
Baron said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts.

More exclusives =/= best games library. The Wii has the most exclusives. Why don't you consider that console to be the gamers consoleBe

Because its Ninty, even better why dont Sony gamers even support Sony games?


PS3 exclusives are selling fairly well. The problem with them is that they aren't household names like Zelda and Mario.  GOW, Uncharted, LBP, GT5 sold very well though. Its been a very good gen for known titles and new IP's on the Sony platform. There are plenty of games that deserve to sell better for sure, but then again I've spoken to a lot of gamers (mostly 360 owners who live near me) and they don't even know the majority of PS3 exclusives exist when you have a conversation. After you bring them up to date they are like "WTF really?" This is truly showing how great Nintendo and Microsofts marketing has been and how dreadfully poor Sonys has been this gen. This really needs to change or else it will hurt Sony worse than they are already hurting.



phenom08 on 26 August 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Baron said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts.

More exclusives =/= best games library. The Wii has the most exclusives. Why don't you consider that console to be the gamers console?


The Wii has the most exclusives but they are not rated the highest. The PS3 has the highest rated exclusives of all the consoles, then comes the 360 and then the Wii. Why might you ask? The Wii's highest rated exclusives are first party, but their third party exclusive shovelware list is the largest percentage Ive seen. The PS2 had a higher percentage of high rated exclusives than the Wii did for sure. Way beyond it really. Most of the third parties really sucked at harnessing the Wii's attributes and that hurt it in that realm alot. The Wii is not the gamers console, it was the casual console but when the Kinect launched it weakened the Wii's sales numbers with the casuals. The core third party titles that were actually good on the Wii were having a hard time selling and people were wondering why. Well...its kind of obvious...the core aren't buying on the Wii but as for Nintendo first party its business as usual selling extremely well (especially in bundles).

Ratings lol. The PS3 also has the lowest selling exclusives of all the consoles. I wonder why that is? What exactly does the PS2 have to do with this, oh i know it was Sony's last successful platform. The core 3rd party games on the Wii had a hard time selling because they sucked plain and simple, whats Sony's exclusives reason for selling poorly? Wii Fit had virtually no bundles, NSMBWii was bundled a year after release, Mario Kart Wii was bundled 3 years after release, Wii Play had no bundles, and Wii Sports Resort was bundles a year after release. Please stop the excuses it really is sad.



phenom08 on 26 August 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I didnt predict the PS3 would kill this gen. I did say the PS3 would walk out of this gen the most respected and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to lower the gap with Microsoft further. If you've read what I've written in the past the achillies heel of the PS3 accomplishing surpassing the Xbox 360 are three things:

1. Kinect

2. Halo 4

3. Gears of War

As for the third parties bit, I've always said third parties will have a harder time on a Nintendo console than the first parties (especially the core titles). Please prove that point wrong. It's called observation, whether you think I am making it up is purely up to you.

The most respected? According to whom lol? It obviously has the least respect, coming in 3rd and selling the least games is far from highly respected lol. What proof do you have of 3rd parties having a hard time on Nintendo platforms. All you can name are a bunch of gimped games released on the Wii, but ofcourse ignore the games made ground up for the Wii. But ok ill play ball, MH sold more on Wii than PS2, Guitar Hero sold more on Wii than PS3, Just Dance has sold more on only the Wii than all of Sony's exclusives but GT lol(GT5 got beat by Just Dance 3 which is sad). I could also mention DQ and Epic Mickey but the point is the Wii had a hard time because of its lack of hardware power and reliance on motion controls. What are these games that should have done better and actually show me why they should have done better. The games that sold well were the ones that were made properly by Ninty, which absolutely make the PS3 software sells look like crap. So no 3rd parties dont have a hard time on Ninty platforms, they just get what they deserve most of the time. By the way where did i even mention 3rd party success on Ninty platforms?



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 August 2012
phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Baron said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts.

More exclusives =/= best games library. The Wii has the most exclusives. Why don't you consider that console to be the gamers console?


The Wii has the most exclusives but they are not rated the highest. The PS3 has the highest rated exclusives of all the consoles, then comes the 360 and then the Wii. Why might you ask? The Wii's highest rated exclusives are first party, but their third party exclusive shovelware list is the largest percentage Ive seen. The PS2 had a higher percentage of high rated exclusives than the Wii did for sure. Way beyond it really. Most of the third parties really sucked at harnessing the Wii's attributes and that hurt it in that realm alot. The Wii is not the gamers console, it was the casual console but when the Kinect launched it weakened the Wii's sales numbers with the casuals. The core third party titles that were actually good on the Wii were having a hard time selling and people were wondering why. Well...its kind of obvious...the core aren't buying on the Wii but as for Nintendo first party its business as usual selling extremely well (especially in bundles).

Ratings lol. The PS3 also has the lowest selling exclusives of all the consoles. I wonder why that is? What exactly does the PS2 have to do with this, oh i know it was Sony's last successful platform. The core 3rd party games on the Wii had a hard time selling because they sucked plain and simple, whats Sony's exclusives reason for selling poorly? Wii Fit had virtually no bundles, NSMBWii was bundled a year after release, Mario Kart Wii was bundled 3 years after release, Wii Play had no bundles, and Wii Sports Resort was bundles a year after release. Please stop the excuses it really is sad.


I kind of just spelled out the reason Sonys exclusives sales sucked compared to Nintendo. Their titles are less casual friendly and are getting more exposed to a slim core audience, whilst the rest of the more successful titles are more highly commercialised third parties like Call of Duty, Battlefield. Outside of Uncharted and God of War their marketing hasnt been stellar.



phenom08 on 26 August 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
Baron said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts.

More exclusives =/= best games library. The Wii has the most exclusives. Why don't you consider that console to be the gamers consoleBe

Because its Ninty, even better why dont Sony gamers even support Sony games?


PS3 exclusives are selling fairly well. The problem with them is that they aren't household names like Zelda and Mario.  GOW, Uncharted, LBP, GT5 sold very well though. Its been a very good gen for known titles and new IP's on the Sony platform. There are plenty of games that deserve to sell better for sure, but then again I've spoken to a lot of gamers (mostly 360 owners who live near me) and they don't even know the majority of PS3 exclusives exist when you have a conversation. After you bring them up to date they are like "WTF really?" This is truly showing how great Nintendo and Microsofts marketing has been and how dreadfully poor Sonys has been this gen. This really needs to change or else it will hurt Sony worse than they are already hurting.

Selling fairly well compared to what? They arent household names for a reason. They are highly overhyped games without the sells to even back their hype up. Good for new ips my ass, Wiisports was a new ip and sold extremely high. Wii fit did as well, Mario was a new ip back in the day and so was Pokemon, both did very well. Sony's new ips cant even crack 5 million yet you claim they did well. Here's the problem, you guys are so quick to compare Sony and Ninty but dont want to compare them commercially. You guys are quick to point out reviews which are opinions of a single person, but dont ever want to bring up sells. You guys blame marketing but have no proof of Sony providing poor marketing. I see commercials for the PS3 alot and yet their games still sell no where near as well. Where is this proof of poor marketing by the way or is it just another excuse.