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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 August 2012
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phenom08 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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Baron said:

DakonBlackblade said:

I was reading trought the thread and i found this here, this post is just wow, you got it all figured out alread man, you know exactly how the next gem "console war" will happen years before it even starts, youre fantastic. Ever considered a career as a psychic ?

Trying to predict the future much maybe ?

O and the "flop" PS3, as you called it, is the best selling console this year by far, it also happens to be selling faster tham the 360 when you line up the launches since ever and in theory holds the bigest chunk of the conventional gamers market, Wii sold more but mostly cause it sold to a diferent market tham 360 and PS3 did, the HD twins shared the more conventional (many times called hardcore but i dont realy like that term) gamers market, Wii only got a small share of those onboard, wich is why the WiiU is aiming to keep pleasing the casuals but also apeal to this market they couldnt get last generation by making a more powerfull machine capable of getting 3rd parties interested in developing theyre big games for Nintendo as well.

 

I think the sucess of the WiiU depends on how much ppl will decide to comit to this new console even before knowing anythign about the next box and the new playstation. If Nintendo has a good marketing strat and realy delivers an interesting enought product its on the right way to be the top seller console next gem, if it fails to impress ppl will choose to wait and them itll be all about how superior or not the new Microsoft and Sony conseles are.

The PS3 selling the most this year still doesn't change the fact that it's been a flop for Sony. Not only have they lost a significant part of their market share but they've been making a loss ever since the PS3 was launched. If something makes less money than what has been spent on it then it's a flop.

I also don't see how the PS3 holds the biggest chunk of the conventional gamers market. The main reason the PS3 has been catching up to the 360 is because the 360 just doesn't and will never sell in Japan. That's about a 7 million advantage for Sony right there. But install base is nowhere near a good indication of what kind of gamers own a specific console. I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really.

So if you're gonna criticize someones predictions at least make sure you use facts yourself. And leave personal feelings as they are, don't mistake those for facts either.

So the Japanese dont count as gammers them ? What are they ? I could use the same argument to say that the only reason 360 even sold as much as it did is because it has a bigger chunk of the American market, but that also wouldnt make any sense cause the American gamers are as much a gamer as any other gamer in the world, just like the Japanese.

360 wil always sell more software per unit cause Americans consume more tham any other ppl, since they have a bigger chunk of this market they sell more softwares, mainly shooters wich is the favored genre of the American conventional gamer, the software market is simply put biger on the USA, therefore its expected that whiechever console holds that market will sell more softwares. Still PS3s software sales overall isnt far behind.

Ppl also tend to forget that the PS3 didnt sell as well as the PS2 because the 360 is a great console, the PS2 didnt have any real competition therefore ruled supreme, its expected that a product wont domain the market if it has good competiton. Its happening with the smartphone market for instance, Apple was completly dominant for awhile, them Sansung started making some great quality smartphones, now the market is getting divided.

The Wii undeniable sold to a diferent market tham the HD twins, wich basicaly shared a market that was exclusive to the PS2 on the previous generation, or do you think Nintendo wants ot apeal to the conventional gamers with WiiU because they were happy with how many copys they sold to this market ? Wii also had a very week 3rd party support because of it casualness and Nintendo want to have that suport this time around, I think they ahve the right idea with WiiU here apealing to both casuals and conventionals, it all depends on how well they put that idea to pratice.

Like I said, basing the type of gamers on install base is flawed. As is using any other argument to make console x look like more of a gamers console than console y. That's why I said "I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really."

You make it look like the PS3 is the only console for 'real' gamers. I disagree. I say 'real' gamers own (or would like to have) multiple platforms.

 

And your 360 assessment is also just a baseless assumption. Where has it been proven that Americans buy more games than Europeans or Japanese?
I also never said the Japanese are not real gamers. I only said Sony (and Nintendo) has a clear advantage because Microsoft will never be able to establish a significant install base there.


Based on the amount of games offered the PS3 is at this moment the gamers console. The Xbox 360 may have the most popular games, but the fewest exclusives and a has the longest exclusive droughts for the past three years. The Wii U is coming out so we can excuse the Wii while it bows out. The casual market was had been used up and moved onto the next gimmick in the Kinect a year earlier and it hurt the Wii. The Wii had a good four years on top, but as all casual things, it never lasts. The 360 is the most popular console via marketing in the American media. Sony hasn't had an exclusives drought since 2007 (basically its first two years). The 360 sells more because the top third parties are available on the console, but as with any gen whoever reaches popularity first sells the most copies. I doubt any console will ever outsell Microsoft in shooters...but everything else is up for grabs and Im sure with next gen it this will be even more apparent.

Yes all of this according to S.T.A.G.E, who probably predicted the PS3 would kill this gen. The PS3 is the gamers console because it has a bunch of exclusives that nobody buys? Yea ok.  Kinect released in 2010 and the Wii sold the most so how did Kinect hurt the Wii?  How about since the Wii still has the highest selling casual games, Just Dance 4 will obviously sell the most on the Wii and more than any other casual game so where exactly is your proof of the casuals moving on? But dont worry i know where your proof is, you made it up.

I didnt predict the PS3 would kill this gen. I did say the PS3 would walk out of this gen the most respected and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to lower the gap with Microsoft further. If you've read what I've written in the past the achillies heel of the PS3 accomplishing surpassing the Xbox 360 are three things:

1. Kinect

2. Halo 4

3. Gears of War

As for the third parties bit, I've always said third parties will have a harder time on a Nintendo console than the first parties (especially the core titles). Please prove that point wrong. It's called observation, whether you think I am making it up is purely up to you.