do you know how much actual psp style software runs on this 400euros piece of... phone? Outside of pspminis you know those 50 variations of tower def game from the psn store which cost about 1.99 on the psp not very much of any actual psp software runs on the thing. If that is the way sony are going in portable gaming... to try and take on apple, I will sorely miss sonys mobile gaming, I truely will.

OK you have i guess not been keeping up with Playstation Mobile development?

because if you have, that's not what Playstation Mobile is are you sure you are not talking about the Playstation pocket App?

because the Playstation Mobile App is not the same as Playstation Pocket App.

for one there will be no more further development for PS1 game compatabilty for Playstation Mobile, which is being moved only to the PSVita, and every Playstation Mobile games will only be on SmartPhones and Tablet's with Playstation certification that includes Multiplayer, Playstation Trophies, and F2P offering's those exclusives will also run on the PSVita.when it launches this fall there will be 30 games made for only playstation certified devices. Since the PSVita is one of them it also get's those games too.

I was more refering to any of the original showing of the xperia which included demos of it playing psp games, there was a great demo of it running god of war... I wanted a phone that could play god of war, 400euros got a phone that could play 2euro tiny apps. great for emulation tho but saying that so is the psp so yeah.... the xperia just a bit of a letdown compared to what it was advertised as originally is all.

Im Sorry to hear that about your experience with the  Xperia-play, but there will be 30 Exclusive Games for it coming out this fall, there is also going to be trophy support for it, so again there is no telling what the developer's will make for the xperia line and other Playstation certified devices. the xperia play's processor is rated for 1.4 Ghz so its under clocked to increase battery power, And it's Adreno 205 May not be the Best of the Mobile GPU's right now, but its no slouch for 3d accelerated gaming.

Good job totally derailing the thread. Anyways, to help derail, I think he was asking if those games were like the tower defense ones he thought weren't worth the buy.

well he asked a Question and i gave my imput, as for derailing the thread, Im sorry if my comment's came off as other than a point of viw about the outlook for the PSVita other than GRIM. I fully agree the sales are not that great, but I also view your sales have to start somewhere, since Sony is the only other  Company other than Nintendo Making such handhelds, as its the only two companies counted for sale through data, Sony being 2nd place in this part of the market is not that big of a problem with the handheld  having a price advantage of $100.00 over the PSVita. not to mention over a year's head start. Like i stated before Turning the Thing's for the better for Sony is not going to be easy, but also saying there is no hope for the future can be said about it if that's what people in this thread think , than ok that's what they think it's their opinion.

I think when you're evaluating Vita's performance, it's best to evaluate it against itself, not against the 3DS, and in that I agree. The Vita should be compared to the expectations posters and stakeholders had, and so we can debate. Above and beyond that, the Vita should be compared to the performance of its predecessor for an indicator of direction.

Having said that, it's important to evaluate the success of the vita against its competition. Why?

Well we know the 3DS and the Vita battle for the support of devs, and it goes without saying that when devs choose to support the 3DS, it can often happen that that comes at the expense of the Vita. Not only that, but it has happened that certain contestants in a market were rendered meaningless within their generation due to the exceedingly better performance of their competitor (the cube, xbox, dreamcast, saturn and N64 come to mind). As such, it is important on a second level to analyze Vita's sales within its market (the dedicated gaming handheld space).

That should help clear up the confusion.

" Well we know the 3DS and the Vita battle for the support of devs, and it goes without saying that when devs choose to support the 3DS, it can often happen that that comes at the expense of the Vita. "

But that right there is the real problem, look at it from the standpoint of, in the market today the developer's with 3rd party game engines that licence their game engines that are making those engines for Smartphones and other smart devices also.

the point is now, the market has changed where as you cannot go by just the handheld games consoles by them selves anymore for market share, because they are no longer by themselves, that's the point. When 3rd party developer's and publisher's are infact looking at the market they are also looking at smart devices for game development. It can no longer be ignored as a lesser platform, and its not now, as a matter of fact it's  being seen as the primary development platform for mobile devices, and soon smart TV's and topset boxes to be included also. When Samsung, Apple,HTC, vizio etc. are making smart devices that are the same chipset as the smarphones, a single game can be made and ran and the harware sales have outpaced a quarter by Quarter sales of dedicated Game consoles, even Nintendo is outpaced! I do not understand why this is such a problem in sales thread's like this, many people have the idea sofar in this thread already many are acting like Sony has no other choice but to pack it in.

hey they may have to , im not saying there is no chance for that to happen, what i am saying is unlike many in this thread i see what changes Sony is doing to counter the problems they are having. Will it be good enough we will see. for me in My Opinion I think they will, due to the fact that entry point for Playstation Mobile is very cheap, and since Sony's own 1st party studios will be making games for it also, means they must have some ideas to change the PSVita's fortunes, as is with them soon to get samsung aboard, I think the PSVita stands to get alot of interesting games for the platform outside of just Sony and the main 3rd party publisher's.

I guess the question boils down to, "how much potential market remains in the dedicated handheld space (Vita, 3DS)?". 

If still alot, then the Vita is not doing well. Certainly it is not getting nearly as big a portion of the pie as Nintendo is. That's something we don't disagree on. 3rd party devs are making money on the 3DS, are they making money on the Vita? That's an important question to ask. They may end up saying "this is hopeless, we won't support the platform". It's possible. And there goes 3rd party support. You can't just ignore that if you're leading the Vita. It's not a good situation to be in.

As for the Mobile markets, how is Sony doing on that front? The iOS devices are selling in the hundreds of millions, how is the experia play fairing? 2m? That's relatively not enough to compete.

"are they making money on the Vita?"

  as i said before even with the lower install base and the , low sales per Quarter, I know for a fact developer's can indeed profit on the PSVita as a platform. Is there or could there be game's that they could not profit on with the PSVita, well yes anything can happen is it very likely,?in my opinion no its not likely to happen for no profit at all, unless you plan on investing a crap load of money on a mobile development project..LMAO which even with the PSVita would be a shocker to spend that kind of money on development.

As for the Mobile markets, how is Sony doing on that front? Alot better than many on here think, for one Last Sales Quarter Apple Sold 8.3 million iphone's, Sony sold 7.4 million Xperia smartphones, Now that may seem like not very much for Sony to take on Apple in the mobile Market, Sony still has more share of the Market in Mobile smartphones  market than even Microsoft does with windows Mobile.

Sony's idea is about pretty much turning any smart device into a Mini Playstation Mobile device. The fact that Sony 1st party studio's will be making Game's for the Playstation Mobile platform, is also confirming a change in direction of How Sony is going forward in the mobile space for games distribution.