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lilbroex on 17 August 2012
Pavolink said:
Some people dislike their games. Other their philosophy. Others, their fanboys. Especially the last one.

Also, I think few hate Nintendo or Wii U, is just that they don't like their products. Nothing wrong with that.


And I completely disagree. When theer is no reasoning whatsover to the arguments and they insistantly insult and berate all related to the company including its fanbase, that is hatred.



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oniyide on 17 August 2012
cyberninja45 said:
Kenology said:
oniyide said:

oh please, PS3 got just as much negative attention in the start as Wii did. I'll give you that in the end PS3 got alot less, but why is that?? Is it really hate for Ninty and love for SOny? i dont buy that, IMHO and i know im going to get flamed for this. SOny tried to improve their situation. PSN sucked when it came out, its in a much better place now.  WiiWare?  That service is just as crappy now as it was back when it started, hell its probably worst since VC releases are way more infrequent

I don't think you're gonna get flamed.  But I do disagree that PS3 got just as much heat as the Wii.  I don't even think it was close.  PS3 only got bad press when in it's first couple of years ($599 US dollars, ports that weren't as good as the 360 version, the early Yahoo doom articles).  Wii got all of that stuff all throughout its ENTIRE lifespan.  And editors would write pieces about the Wii and would be outright trolling, it was really bad.

I remember IGN had an article titiled "Nintendo is lazy and we don't care" back in 2009. It was basically bashing nintendo gamers for liking wii games although they did not have top of the line graphics. Imagine bashing gamers for liking a game,  really BASHING GAMERS FOR LIKING A GAME, and this was written on the nintendo section by the "gaming journalist" their (although I think they left shortly after) and was posted as a top article on their main page.

Before that I never really posted anything on the internet defending nintendo, but after that I lost all respect for major gaming sites. Its like I suddenly saw the light and all the negative media nintendo was getting. And yes from then on everytime I hear someone spew crap about nintendo I feel the need to correct them at least. Not saying everything they do is good, hell I hated the way they presented the wiiu at E3  and would defefinetly not defend that, but other bias and uninformed decisions about them gets me.

I remember and i agree to a certain extent with IGN, the thing about Mario is you can lob the some of the same complaints about that to COD.

I do feel Ninty was being a bit lazy, lazy is a strong word, ill say complacent and half assed the Wii abit. Why was the motion control tech so crappy from the offset? Why did it take so long to get motion+, was wasnt it that accurate from day 1? Why dont they support their peripehials?? Hell why are a few of those devices sucky(looking at you Wiispeak) why is the online so bad?? Why was their no improvements? Was it lazines? Or lack of competance?



cyberninja45 on 17 August 2012
Gamerace said:

Despite what some may think, I've never been a big Nintendo fan. Don't care much for the major Nintendo series (3D Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, Donkey Kong). 

 I am a big Wii fan though.

I'm not a WiiU fan.

If WiiU had been an improvement and enhance of everything that made Wii great - HD, better online, enhanced motion controls (no more calibrating...), improved Miis, an innovative Wii ____ title, I'd be thrilled. I fell in love with how Wii made you feel more immersed in the game. Like you were playing tennis in Wii Sports or golf in Tiger Woods or beating the snot out of people in Godfather or actually aiming and shooting in Goldeneye, or slicing them to bits in Red Steel 2.

If you told me I could play AC3 or ME3 with enhanced WM+ and IR aiming and Nintendo made a bold new Wii___ title (I dunno, Wii Racing with places, boats, cars, horses etc for example) I'd buy WiiU day one and those titles (and Batman and ZombiiU and maybe Lego City) day one. I'd be it's biggest fan.

But WM+ is been cast aside for the gamepad. I hate dual analog aiming, and all the buttons. It's a idelogical course reversal from Wii and if you look at the success Apple has had with simplicity (ipads/pods/phones have one, count it one, button) they are going in the wrong direction. WiiU should have been the essence of the Wii realized in it's full potential. Similar, better, more elegant. Instead WiiU looks like a horrid compromise (between casual/core) no one wanted.

 Thats exactly  how I feel about wiiu, nintendo took everything that made the wii popular, fun and unique and threw it down the drain.  @ bolded I was hoping the succesor to the wii would have offered that, nintendo needs to pull a rabbit out of a hat to convince me about the wiiu.



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oniyide on 17 August 2012
Gamerace said:

Despite what some may think, I've never been a big Nintendo fan. Don't care much for the major Nintendo series (3D Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, Donkey Kong). 

 I am a big Wii fan though.

I'm not a WiiU fan.

If WiiU had been an improvement and enhance of everything that made Wii great - HD, better online, enhanced motion controls (no more calibrating...), improved Miis, an innovative Wii ____ title, I'd be thrilled. I fell in love with how Wii made you feel more immersed in the game. Like you were playing tennis in Wii Sports or golf in Tiger Woods or beating the snot out of people in Godfather or actually aiming and shooting in Goldeneye, or slicing them to bits in Red Steel 2.

If you told me I could play AC3 or ME3 with enhanced WM+ and IR aiming and Nintendo made a bold new Wii___ title (I dunno, Wii Racing with places, boats, cars, horses etc for example) I'd buy WiiU day one and those titles (and Batman and ZombiiU and maybe Lego City) day one. I'd be it's biggest fan.

But WM+ is been cast aside for the gamepad. I hate dual analog aiming, and all the buttons. It's a idelogical course reversal from Wii and if you look at the success Apple has had with simplicity (ipads/pods/phones have one, count it one, button) they are going in the wrong direction. WiiU should have been the essence of the Wii realized in it's full potential. Similar, better, more elegant. Instead WiiU looks like a horrid compromise (between casual/core) no one wanted.

Man I am the complete opposite. I actually like the idea behind it and I do love that they are pushing motion gaming to the side on this, IMHO thats where it belongs, it should have never been the forefront, becasue their are simply too many games that will not work properly with that kind of controller or doesnt really add anything to the experience.(the entire fighting game genre for example). This is a compromise im glad they made. Thats why i like the Move approach and to a lesser extent MS. Here is our motion device, we wont make you buy it and we wont make too much games that depend on it(cause frankly most of those games are bad IMHO) It'll be used with games that might actually add to it or at the very least the games will be good already and if you wanna play another way you can(KZ3, Infamous2, etc.)



Pavolink on 17 August 2012
lilbroex said:
Pavolink said:
Some people dislike their games. Other their philosophy. Others, their fanboys. Especially the last one.

Also, I think few hate Nintendo or Wii U, but many simply don't like their products. Nothing wrong with that.


And I completely disagree. When ther is no reasoning whatsover to the arguments and they insistantly insult and berate all related to the company including its fanbase, that is hatred.


Yes, but that's a few number.

I have fixed my comment.



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Kenology on 17 August 2012
cyberninja45 said:
Kenology said:
oniyide said:

oh please, PS3 got just as much negative attention in the start as Wii did. I'll give you that in the end PS3 got alot less, but why is that?? Is it really hate for Ninty and love for SOny? i dont buy that, IMHO and i know im going to get flamed for this. SOny tried to improve their situation. PSN sucked when it came out, its in a much better place now.  WiiWare?  That service is just as crappy now as it was back when it started, hell its probably worst since VC releases are way more infrequent

I don't think you're gonna get flamed.  But I do disagree that PS3 got just as much heat as the Wii.  I don't even think it was close.  PS3 only got bad press when in it's first couple of years ($599 US dollars, ports that weren't as good as the 360 version, the early Yahoo doom articles).  Wii got all of that stuff all throughout its ENTIRE lifespan.  And editors would write pieces about the Wii and would be outright trolling, it was really bad.

I remember IGN had an article titiled "Nintendo is lazy and we don't care" back in 2009. It was basically bashing nintendo gamers for liking wii games although they did not have top of the line graphics. Imagine bashing gamers for liking a game,  really BASHING GAMERS FOR LIKING A GAME, and this was written on the nintendo section by the "gaming journalist" their (although I think they left shortly after) and was posted as a top article on their main page.

Before that I never really posted anything on the internet defending nintendo, but after that I lost all respect for major gaming sites. Its like I suddenly saw the light and all the negative media nintendo was getting. And yes from then on everytime I hear someone spew crap about nintendo I feel the need to correct them at least. Not saying everything they do is good, hell I hated the way they presented the wiiu at E3  and would defefinetly not defend that, but other bias and uninformed decisions about them gets me.

Oh boy.  That was the Matt Cassamassina article about NSMBWii.  That game illicited SOOOO much hatred it wasn't even funny!  Especially when the sales were released and we got Damon Hate-filled's editorial about how NSMB Wii was so bad and how Splosion man was so much better and Nintendo fans were only taking issue with his criticisms because "they know [he's] right".  Just the smug arrogance of that guy, lol!  He attacked Nintendo fans for preferring Mario over other platformers.  It burned him up inside.

 

Good times.



cyberninja45 on 17 August 2012
oniyide said:
cyberninja45 said:
Kenology said:
oniyide said:

oh please, PS3 got just as much negative attention in the start as Wii did. I'll give you that in the end PS3 got alot less, but why is that?? Is it really hate for Ninty and love for SOny? i dont buy that, IMHO and i know im going to get flamed for this. SOny tried to improve their situation. PSN sucked when it came out, its in a much better place now.  WiiWare?  That service is just as crappy now as it was back when it started, hell its probably worst since VC releases are way more infrequent

I don't think you're gonna get flamed.  But I do disagree that PS3 got just as much heat as the Wii.  I don't even think it was close.  PS3 only got bad press when in it's first couple of years ($599 US dollars, ports that weren't as good as the 360 version, the early Yahoo doom articles).  Wii got all of that stuff all throughout its ENTIRE lifespan.  And editors would write pieces about the Wii and would be outright trolling, it was really bad.

I remember IGN had an article titiled "Nintendo is lazy and we don't care" back in 2009. It was basically bashing nintendo gamers for liking wii games although they did not have top of the line graphics. Imagine bashing gamers for liking a game,  really BASHING GAMERS FOR LIKING A GAME, and this was written on the nintendo section by the "gaming journalist" their (although I think they left shortly after) and was posted as a top article on their main page.

Before that I never really posted anything on the internet defending nintendo, but after that I lost all respect for major gaming sites. Its like I suddenly saw the light and all the negative media nintendo was getting. And yes from then on everytime I hear someone spew crap about nintendo I feel the need to correct them at least. Not saying everything they do is good, hell I hated the way they presented the wiiu at E3  and would defefinetly not defend that, but other bias and uninformed decisions about them gets me.

I remember and i agree to a certain extent with IGN, the thing about Mario is you can lob the some of the same complaints about that to COD.

I do feel Ninty was being a bit lazy, lazy is a strong word, ill say complacent and half assed the Wii abit. Why was the motion control tech so crappy from the offset? Why did it take so long to get motion+, was wasnt it that accurate from day 1? Why dont they support their peripehials?? Hell why are a few of those devices sucky(looking at you Wiispeak) why is the online so bad?? Why was their no improvements? Was it lazines? Or lack of competance?

 I can agree to the bolded but that was not the main point of the article (or even in it for that matter) the thing is it focused on 1 game in particular nsmbwii. Did it really need to be a headline on their site? They could have done it in a blog and I would have had no problem with it.



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oniyide on 17 August 2012
Kenology said:
oniyide said:

@ 1st bolded  Judging by the past NInty consoles?? Only a bit better.

@ 2nd bolded  Thats not good enough, a least not for me and a few others. This is debuting six years after the 360 and we dont even know what the other two will do for sure yet. If you've never owned an HD console then welcome to the party, but if your like me and have owned one for sometime, then their is nothing mindblowing about the Wii U, especially since the system only allows two pads per console. not saying it will be bad, but as of now its just OK.

@3rd bolded, LOL thats what you guys were saying prior to E3, "just you wait till E3, Ninty will show you" and they didnt really, so now your're telling me I have to wait YEARS? Sounds a bit like goal post moving

1st - That doesn't make sense to me.  This current gen is the only gen that saw Nintendo skimp out on power.  In all previous gens, Nintendo's consoles were just as powerful or more powerful than the competition - I don't see any reason to ignore that fact and pretend the Wii situation is the norm.

2nd - That's fine.  I understand that many people are accustomed to huge leaps between generations.  Past generations have always had huge leaps over the previous one.  But with development costs being as expensive as they are, I don't know how much farther the envelope can be pushed.  For Nintendo fans, I think I speak collectively that we'll just be glad to see a Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, and a Zelda in HD and it'll make us happy campers.  Also, if I'm correct about Sony or Microsoft not making a quantum leap into next gen in terms of power, I wonder if you guys will suddenly be ok with not having that leap.   Like, is it only a problem because Nintendo's doing it?  We'll see.  I admire Nintendo for sacrificing "power" in order to be profitable and keep dev costs down.  It's a smart business decision.  Wouldn't want to lose all that money they made off of the Wii, DS, GC, GBA, etc. just to be bleeding edge in the next gen.

3rd - Not at all.  I'm sure a lot of people thought E3 was going to be the big Wii U reveal and it turned out not to be.  Who knows what we'll see when Nintendo decides to show us.  But we won't know if AC3 runs at 60fps and at 1080p until they decide to show us.  Don't know what you're talking about with "wait years".  AC3 is a launch game.  You'll only have to wait a couple months, and we'll know if it runs better before then when they unveil it.


I should have been more clear, i didnt mean that. i just meant looking at past Ninty consoles, when they start out, you usually dont see a steady increase in graphical fidelity. Wii sure as hell didnt have it for obvious reasons. GC didnt really have it either. N64 kinda did, the Banjoe games looking better than Mario 64.  Look at Uncharted, the difference between the sequel and the original is almost night and day.

I know the hardcores will be happy they always are. I think Ninty could have def, pushed the envelope further, and im sure SOny and MS will do likewise, maybe not PS2-PS3 madness, but probably traditional leaps like PS1-PS2 and if that happens it wont paint Ninty in a good light IMHO. Remember this is coming SIX years later, thats not a short time. Its not like GC or N64 where those debutted about a year? after Sony's machines

Even if AC3 runs at those speeds thats still not the leap im talking about. In fact that would sound a bit like the difference between PS2-GC, that was ok because that came a year later, but six years later?? Not impressed



oniyide on 17 August 2012

I'm getting the vibe that people are still mad about that NSMBWii IGN article, it was over the top ill admit, but ill be the defender and say i think his issue was the same is with COD. People buy Mario but these people are not willing to try anything else. Same with COD, no one really plays the other FPSs. To each your own, but if all you eat is vanilla cake dont get mad when all you have to eat is vanilla cake.

@cyberninja45 It wasnt about the article it relates to the thread, that asked why people hate Ninty, I would say those are reasons for hate, but they are definite grounds for disapointment. Especially when the comp was improving their crap every year and Ninty was making money hand over fist.



Kenology on 17 August 2012
oniyide said:


1). I should have been more clear, i didnt mean that. i just meant looking at past Ninty consoles, when they start out, you usually dont see a steady increase in graphical fidelity. Wii sure as hell didnt have it for obvious reasons. GC didnt really have it either. N64 kinda did, the Banjoe games looking better than Mario 64.  Look at Uncharted, the difference between the sequel and the original is almost night and day.

2). I know the hardcores will be happy they always are. I think Ninty could have def, pushed the envelope further, and im sure SOny and MS will do likewise, maybe not PS2-PS3 madness, but probably traditional leaps like PS1-PS2 and if that happens it wont paint Ninty in a good light IMHO. Remember this is coming SIX years later, thats not a short time. Its not like GC or N64 where those debutted about a year? after Sony's machines

3). Even if AC3 runs at those speeds thats still not the leap im talking about. In fact that would sound a bit like the difference between PS2-GC, that was ok because that came a year later, but six years later?? Not impressed

1).  Oh, wow.  You probably haven't had a lot of exposure to Nintendo systems, because the generational leaps between the early games and end-of-lifecycle games are just staggering. 

On SNES, you can just compare Super Mario World with Yoshi's Island.  Technically, the YI is leaps and bounds ahead of the SMW (in no small part thanks to the FX chip and the features it enabled) and the art design.  Later SNES games were cetainly much better looking that its first games.

The N64 was the same way, especially with the addition of the RAM Pak.

The Gamecube was just very powerful to begin with and I don't think it was around long enough for devs to really start cracking it and taking advantage of the hardware.

The Wii's graphical output definitely improved as time went on.  Early games looked like Gamecube games, some even as low as PS2 quality.  Then, as time went on, devs got more out of the hardware for sure.  In capable hands, the Wii could do a lot.  Look at Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 and Xenoblade (probably the systems most technically impressive game) as an example.

I think you're just flat out wrong on this one, oniyide.

 

2).  Only time will tell.  If Sony and MS don't want to lose money on units sold (razor and blades model) they will have to keep stay off the bleeding edge.  We shall see.

 

3).  It's clear you want a huge leap.  What would AC3 on Wii U have to do to impress you then?  How much better does it need to look than the PS360 versions, I'm curious.