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Sal.Paradise on 12 August 2012
happydolphin said:
Sal.Paradise said:

Hah, 2001? Children! How about Richard Mark's wand demo from 2000!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mheOtyWNjV0&feature=related 

*Not a part of this argument, but now I want you to show me Nintendo's motion control in the nineties, I know someone can find it

I find it quite peculiar how the wonderbook turned out to be a book, but the wand turned into a wii-mote with a bulb.

As far as I recall the bulb is required for the eyetoy to perceive depth...and as a bonus they get to light up in pretty colours!



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d21lewis on 12 August 2012
Play4Fun said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Play4Fun said:
Player1x3 said:
happydolphin said:
Player1x3 said:

Anyway, im done arguing about this, since its highly off topic, i doubt i can change your narrative where Nintendo >>> everyone else in gaming and i already have tons of shit to respond to already

Hit and run as usual. People, if you are not committed to the debate, why post?


It's that has been debated and proven million times before. And im using on screen keyboard which makes typing long posts verry irritating

 

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Hah, 2001? Children! How about Richard Mark's wand demo from 2000!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mheOtyWNjV0&feature=related 

*Not a part of this argument, but now I want you to show me Nintendo's motion control in the nineties, I know someone can find it

The Power Glove was a 3rd party peripheral.


So Sony ripped off Mattel?



happydolphin on 12 August 2012
Sal.Paradise said:

As far as I recall the bulb is required for the eyetoy to perceive depth...and as a bonus they get to light up in pretty colours!

:) You missed what I was trying to say. I know that though^. The wand in player13's video, or the sticks with the different colors in your video turned into a controller, but the wonderbook turned into a book.

It was a jab but what I'm trying to say really is that there's a big leap from a wand-like accessory to a fully motion-sensing controller.



Play4Fun on 12 August 2012
d21lewis said:
Play4Fun said:
Sal.Paradise said:

 

Hah, 2001? Children! How about Richard Mark's wand demo from 2000!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mheOtyWNjV0&feature=related 

*Not a part of this argument, but now I want you to show me Nintendo's motion control in the nineties, I know someone can find it

The Power Glove was a 3rd party peripheral.


So Sony ripped off Mattel?


No company is safe from Sony. 



Sal.Paradise on 12 August 2012
happydolphin said:
Sal.Paradise said:

As far as I recall the bulb is required for the eyetoy to perceive depth...and as a bonus they get to light up in pretty colours!

:) You missed what I was trying to say. I know that though^. The wand in player13's video, or the sticks with the different colors in your video turned into a controller, but the wonderbook turned into a book.

It was a jab but what I'm trying to say really is that there's a big leap from a wand-like accessory to a fully motion-sensing controller.

Oh ok, I just wanted to talk about pretty colours..



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happydolphin on 12 August 2012
Sal.Paradise said:

Oh ok, I just wanted to talk about pretty colours..

To do that you would need to put your very first Sal.Paradise avatar. But I like this one so I don't know if I should encourage you to do that.



JWeinCom on 12 August 2012
Player1x3 said:

JWeinCom said:

First off, the prototype you see doesn't have any button, to my knowledge didn't use accelerometers, didn't have a secondary nunchuck controller, and didn't have the same form factor as the final product.  Second of all, companies have tons of prototypes at any given time.

It wasn't supposed to have any button, it was planned to use motion controls only.

So, Sony had a vague idea that maybe a motion based controller would be a good idea.  They did some research on the idea, couldn't get it to work properly, and quietly threw it in some drawer in their R&D department.

...and you know this how? You hired a spy to work at Sony? For all we know motion controller was still in the works and was never scratched off. I think its just your wishful thinking to appeal your ''EVERYBODY COPIEZ NINTENDO GODZ'' narrative

Meanwhile, Nintendo had an idea that a motion controlled peripheral would be a good idea.  They developed several prototypes, continually refining the product.  They came up with a nunchuck attachment to accomodate more traditional games, and they developed software to show off their new hardware.  Then, Nintendo decided to risk their whole financial future on their motion controller.  They bundled it with their newest console, devised an advertising plan, and crossed their fingers, knowing that failure could be absolutely catastrophic.  Luckily, their hard work and planning paid off.  The Wii was a Smash hit, thanks largely in part to the simple but addictive Sports game that was included, and Nintendo overtook both Sony and Microsoft to claim the number one spot in the console market.  They took a huge risk and reaped a huge reward.

cool story bro. It has nothing to do with my point tho

Sony saw this success Nintendo was having and thought "oh what do you know.  Motion controls really are a viable idea.  Let's hitch a ride on the bandwagon.Fun fact: sixaxis is also a motion controller.  What ever happened to that prototype we abandoned?" How do you KNOW THEY ABANDONED it?  So, Sony took their old prototype, molded it until it looked like a Wiimote,While all ''remotes'' look similar, Move looks absolutely nothing like Wiimote. Or do you agree Wiimote is a shameless rip off of every TV remote ever made? added a nunchuck attachment which you don't need to use, you can use a normal controller , made their own sports game,they already had one on EyeToy on ps2 and hoped to see the same success Nintendo saw while taking none of the risk or putting in any work or creativity of their own. You mean like when Nintendo didn't have the balls to publish mature games on their systems or use CDs, and once they saw PS1 success they jumped on a wagon ? Sony had an incomplete Idea and they used Nintendo's work to flesh it out.You...you seriously think nintendo was the first with motion controller and that they own the concept ?

Edit: And btw I disagree with your idea of "similar looking".  The Wii-mote looks like a remote controle.  The protomove looks like a bloated lollipop.

I wasn't even comparing it to wiimote. i was comparing sony motion controller from 2004 and move from 2009


Anyway, im done arguing about this, since its highly off topic, i doubt i can change your narrative where Nintendo >>> everyone else in gaming and i already have tons of shit to respond to already


"It wasn't supposed to have any button, it was planned to use motion controls only."

So... if the initial design didn't use buttons or accelerometers, then why did they add those to the final product?

...and you know this how? You hired a spy to work at Sony? For all we know motion controller was still in the works and was never scratched off. I think its just your wishful thinking to appeal your ''EVERYBODY COPIEZ NINTENDO GODZ'' narrative"

How do I know this?  Common sense.  That's how I know this.  Sony made the prototype, and did nothing with it for five years.  Then it comes back in a form that's exactly like the Wii-mote. We don't need to hire Sherlock Holmes to put two and two together here.  But if you don't agree with this, then come up with a better solution.  Why didn't Sony do anything with the technology for 5 years?  Why did they suddenly decide that motion controls were the future of gaming halfway through the console's lifecycle?

While all ''remotes'' look similar, Move looks absolutely nothing like Wiimote. Or do you agree Wiimote is a shameless rip off of every TV remote ever made?

Uhhhh... seriously?  The Wii-mote isn't a rip off of a TV controller because its function is completely different. Smh.  The move is a ripoff because it is the same in form and function.  Just with a little ball on top.

which you don't need to use, you can use a normal controller

Which is completely unintuitive. It's fairly clear that is not the intended way to use it but w/e.  Even if its optional, you can't deny it's a rip off of the nunchuck.

ou mean like when Nintendo didn't have the balls to publish mature games on their systems or use CDs, and once they saw PS1 success they jumped on a wagon ?

Mortal Kombat and Doom were available on the SNES years before the Playstation came out.  If you want to talk about mature games and Nintendo, then you need to look at Nintendo and Sega.  Speaking of Sega, they also had a CD add on before the PS1 came out, and the Saturn was first to launch.  Even Phillips had the CD-i developed in 1991.  All the same, accusing someone of ripping off something as vague and universal as a storage medium is silly.

Taking inspiration from others is not a crime.  That's why few people say the Kinect is a Wii rip off.  The Kinect took the broad idea (motion gaming), and executed it in a way that was completely different than what the Wii was doing.  So no, I don't think that Nintendo "owns" motion controlled gaming.  They just own the speciffic motion controlled gaming set up that they created.   Anyway, a picture is worth a thousand words, so here.

Edited by trasharmdsister12 - Please keep the quote trees to a reasonable length.



NintendoFanDj on 12 August 2012

You say Sony is inspired when 2005-2009 all they did was trash talk wii motion controls.

If I was inspired by something I wouldn't talk bad about it.



"Nintendo fan for life"

PearlJam on 13 August 2012
d21lewis said:

Okay.  I lived in the 80's and 90's.  There was this little thing called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.  It was pretty awesome and became pretty popular.  As a result, we were treated to:

Samurai Pizza Cats, Battle Toads, Biker Mice From Mars, Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters, Street Sharks, and the list goes on.  Nobody got as bent out of shape by those rip-offs as people are about this rip-off.  Admitting is the first step towards recovery.


Typical Sony fan response:

"What are you talking about? Street Sharks and Biker Mice From Mars were in development since 1981, they just took so long to release them because they wanted to get it perfect and not do a half-assed job like the Turtles. I have the youtube clips to prove it"

'Posts unrelated youtube clips'

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Anyway, there wasn't legions of harcore fans defending these ripoffs and claiming them to be better than the Turtles like we have today with other stuff. Sony fans really think their Street Sharks are better.