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To those of you who are blaming the consumer, saying that they should do some research, etc., the fact the the marketplace has a great number of idiots is the whole point of this conversation.

Yes, there are a lot of people who don't do research and don't understand technology that well. You want to make your product as idiot-proof as possible, because every time you make a consumer feel like an idiot (whether or not they actually are one) they hate you a little more for it. That's bad PR. When these idiots talk about their PS3 to their buddies, they'll throw in qualifiers like, "It sucks that it doesn't play PS2 games though," or "I had to trade in the first one I bought and pay an extra $100 to play my PS2 games, that was BS."

Every time you hassle your consumer by forcing them to trade in a unit that wasn't really what they wanted or needed to be repaired under warranty, their satisfaction level drops. And it does have an impact on sales.

Blame the consumer all you want, but these consumers won't blame themselves. They'll blame Sony.



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famousringo said:
To those of you who are blaming the consumer, saying that they should do some research, etc., the fact the the marketplace has a great number of idiots is the whole point of this conversation.

Yes, there are a lot of people who don't do research and don't understand technology that well. You want to make your product as idiot-proof as possible, because every time you make a consumer feel like an idiot (whether or not they actually are one) they hate you a little more for it. That's bad PR. When these idiots talk about their PS3 to their buddies, they'll throw in qualifiers like, "It sucks that it doesn't play PS2 games though," or "I had to trade in the first one I bought and pay an extra $100 to play my PS2 games, that was BS."

Every time you hassle your consumer by forcing them to trade in a unit that wasn't really what they wanted or needed to be repaired under warranty, their satisfaction level drops. And it does have an impact on sales.

Blame the consumer all you want, but these consumers won't blame themselves. They'll blame Sony.

Well said. 



As stated above All PS3 are BC. the 40gb has limited BC (ps but not ps2)



makingmusic476 said:
starcraft said:
madskillz said:
Magnific0 said:
Haha, Squall_Leonhart is so right.

Backwards compatibility is not a feature that is to be taken for granted in ANY console, therefore the right thing is, if you care about it, you should ask/find out.

Companies don't advertise BC, they don't put a big flashy sign on the box to let you know it's included. Likewise they won't advertise it's not included.

How many wii sports playing people care if the Wii is BC? Can anyone tell if any console or portable is BC by a quick glance of the box?

I doubt anyone besides PlayStation fans still care and talk about BC, and the reason is simple : the PS2 has many great games and it's still going strong, the previous gen of the other companies (xbox and cube) sucked and ceased to exist so people don't care about BC that much.

Given the amount of PS2 still selling in the world, it's logical to think the majority of those PS2 owners will eventually jump to PS3, and if BC continues to show as one very relevant feature for these consumers then Sony will have pay close attention to their demands. I think BC is more valued in America, and I believe the PS3 will only truly take flight (beat 360 in USA) when a BC able PS3 comes down the $400 barrier. But also, Sony will cut PS2's price and they should do it quickly. A $99 PS2 could also mean more people would jump on a Non-BC PS3 and have the option to buy their full PS2 playability in a whole PS2.

I bought a Wii for the Wii, then found out it could play GC games. I am thrilled! I never owned a GC, but I do now ...

I don't have space for another console. I have a 360/system selector, receiver and PS2 on a small shelf. The Wii sits on the floor by my one of my HD receivers. The HD DVR sits atop my other freevo DVR and my HD A2 HD DVD player sits atop all of it. Literally, I don't have space unless I lose a component. I can put my PS2 downstairs and toss the crappy DVD player down there.

Except for the PS1, the PS has had BC. The other console makers saw how that feature added value to the console. I was hesistant to buying my 360 at first when I heard MS wasn't gonna do BC. Then, they backpedaled and included the feature. It was the best move for them. Why? Some of us have 50 plus games on the PS2 and Xbox each. BC was touted as a core value not by me, but Phil Harrison:

"Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3."

Source: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55108

He stated it. Not a fanboy, but a Sony exec! Now, it's no longer a core value? You may be more than ready to sell your old games and dive into the next gen, but a ton of gamers aren't. And to have another console clogging up your space isn't an option.

I am close to landing a 60gb PS3 for one reason - BC. Buying the 80gb and definitely the 40gb aren't options for me, as well as other PS2 gamers with huge libraries.

 


And with that stoke of genius from Mr Madskills, I believe we can put an end to this argument. Sony said that backward compatability was important, and derided MS for not having it. They promoted it, and then quietly dumped it from only one model. I heard their ads saying how cheap the new 40gb was, but I don't recall those same ads saying that PS2 compatability was no longer included as it was no longer a 'core' value.


MS also said that HDMI, etc/ didn't matter either, yet now all 360 scome with HDMI. I really don't see why you guys are getting so hung up on this. I mean, all companies spin things in their favor all the time.

Now, if you don't mind, please go back to the MS forum and leave us ps3 fans alone. You don't see me going into the MS forum and bashing the 360 for the RRoR or MS for Vista. All this trolling is really annoying.


So what MS said HDMI wasn't important. It's a luxury and not essential for gaming. Maybe one day ... but hay ...

As far as saying stuff and going the other way ... what about Sony calling rumble 'last-generation?' What are they doing? Why release an updated controller with rumble if it's last generation? Just like BC. If it was so horrible for Sony, why was it in full force in the 20gb and 60gb models? BC is one value that makes a PS a PS.

I made this thread to point out what a smattering of folks were saying about the 40gb PS3s. I would consider one if it had BC, but it's worthless to me without it. As far as trolling ... since when bringing matters like this to light trolling? Would you prefer I go to the MS forum and create this thread and have 360 folks all over this?

If I bought a PS3, I wouldn't need validation for my purchase. I bought a 360 and I enjoy it. Folks can talk all day long about the RROD, the lack of an HD drive (not talking about the add-on) and the like. Will that sway my thinking? No. I choose to respond what I wanna respond to.

I don't have to say another word - you can just go into hiding and keep company with Sony and PS3 lovers, but truth is truth and the PS would be selling a lot better if it had exclusive games and content, a lower price point, BC and lack of an HD drive. 



"BC is one value that makes a PS a PS."

I disagree since the first PS wasn't BC which was the one I played the most.



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Smidlee said:
"BC is one value that makes a PS a PS."

I disagree since the first PS wasn't BC which was the one I played the most.

You need to tell Sony that.  Apparently, they were confused when they said it was a core value. 



 madskillz said:
"Folks, folks, folks, folks, folks, trolling, folks, folks, folks, folks, folks."


That about sums it up.



As in go buy us some coffee.

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crumas2 said:
Smidlee said:
"BC is one value that makes a PS a PS."

I disagree since the first PS wasn't BC which was the one I played the most.

You need to tell Sony that. Apparently, they were confused when they said it was a core value.


Sony's only core value is a desire to make money.



My PS3 is the 40gb model and the lack of ps2 support does not bother me at all. I really don't play ps2 games anymore but if I did I can always get out my ps2. I'm more happy that it plays ps1 games cuz I can play ffvii, ffviii, and ffix.



Oh and I knew it didn't play ps2 games when I bought it.