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Troll_Whisperer on 15 July 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I'm not so sure that MS needs to cut prices. If the ugle PS3 Slim2 is real it may stay the same price. The Wii U isn't a guaranteed hit. MS can cut prices at any time, but I don't think MS will unless they have to. If the PS3 gets a price cut and the Wii U is a hit then MS can react with a price cut at that time.


A PS3 price cut is guaranteed. They can't sell the 16GB model for the same price they are selling the 160GB one today. They'll at least sell the 16GB model for $199 while keeping the other two &249 and $299.


Are we sure there is going to be a 16GB model? Right now everything is a rumor and it could be a mistake. It could really be 160GB like there is now. If that's the case Sony could easily launch a new model with a pack in game at the same price levels. Unlike the Xbox 360 that can get by, just barely, without a decent harddrive, the PS3 has many games with manditory installs. 16GB just wouldn't cut it. Those of us with 60GB fats can tell you they fill up fast.

A letter has been leaked from Sony to the Brazilian version of FCC, it can't be mistaken, they must provide the right information. Also, a recent FW update changed the word "Hard Drive" to "System Storage" on the PS3 menu, so it will most probably be flash memory. So the 16GB figure is right.



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D-Joe on 15 July 2012

sorry guys,not 2007,it's 2006
http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html



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Troll_Whisperer on 15 July 2012
kowenicki said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Lostplanet22 said:
it is better to sacrifice profit to get more marketshare?

That's what I'm asking. I guess your answer is no.

But marketshare is a long term investment, I think they could've sold much more last and this holiday season and they could've hurt PS3 and WiiU more if they reduced the price. That in turn would've made the Xbox brand stronger, which is always good before launching a next gen console. It could bring more X720 sales and it may be more beneficial to do that in the long term.

 

MS make a lot of profits on HW as it is and I think it would've been smart to cut the price last year. They'll still profit on HW and get more Xboxes out there.


Even right at the end of a gen?  I dont think so.  Indeed I think Nintendo has shown over the generations that marketshare is nothing but vanity.  Given that Sony has had the highest marketshare for the last two gen and didnt make a bean in the long term

If it weren't for Sony's marketshare last generation and the PS3 was a new product, it wouldn't have survived the first year. The PS brand's strength is what made PS3 survive the 599 price tag.



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Troll_Whisperer on 15 July 2012
Lostplanet22 said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Lostplanet22 said:
it is better to sacrifice profit to get more marketshare?

That's what I'm asking. I guess your answer is no.

But marketshare is a long term investment, I think they could've sold much more last and this holiday season and they could've hurt PS3 and WiiU more if they reduced the price. That in turn would've made the Xbox brand stronger, which is always good before launching a next gen console. It could bring more X720 sales and it may be more beneficial to do that in the long term.

 

MS make a lot of profits on HW as it is and I think it would've been smart to cut the price last year. They'll still profit on HW and get more Xboxes out there.

No, it is certainly not long for consoles, the Wii's almost 50% marketshare back in the day did not do that much, sega's bigger marketshare in Europe with genesis did not help them at all, many EU gamers know what a Genesis/megadrive is but ask what a saturn is and they will answer 'A planet? A giant electronic German store?'. The most profitable region for MS (for every console sold) is probably going end up being Japan where they had an amazing attach rate were Xbox 360 owners were eating more MS points than they would rice/sushi or noodles (or cats)*


*yeah cats remember shoko Nakagawa...http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xgr9IqyR4Xw/S076S6jpx3I/AAAAAAAAAX0/SXYpj-ufOMc/s640/japanese-girl-eating-cat.jpg.

Marketshare is not an absolute insurance, but it helps. As I said above, without PS2's marketshare PS3 wouldn't have survived the first year after launch.

Also, the WIi's marketshare will probably ensure that the WIiU is at least a moderate success, as many people will jump from Wii to WiiU. It may still sell much less than Wii, yes, but at least the marketshare attained will help selling a few extra million during the first couple of years.



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thranx on 15 July 2012

I think MS are fine where they are at. I would love a price cut, but they don't need one. Seems like they took a page out of the wii's book. I dont think they should lower the price until they at least announce their next gen, if not when they release their next gen console, or they see a huge drop in sales.



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Mr Puggsly on 15 July 2012

I have a feeling MS is going to push the $99* deal during the holidays. Given that it was expanded it to Best Buy and Gamestop.



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aikohualda on 15 July 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
I have a feeling MS is going to push the $99* deal during the holidays. Given that it was expanded it to Best Buy and Gamestop.

amen....



 

Argh_College on 15 July 2012

microsoft being microsoft.

Extended console lifecycle, no price cuts, overpriced acessories...



Jay520 on 15 July 2012
Squilliam said:
withdreday said:
Rudisha said:


why do you believe this?

I just can't see any other reason they won't cut the price. They were are in position to put their foot on Sony's throat on several occasions with a price cut this gen, and they didn't, which leads me to believe they still want to turn a profit on the console.


Why cut the price in order to attract the least profitable customers? The generation is almost over and these people are only *just now* getting a console? Do you expect them to be buying many games and accessories? Are they just going to raid the greatest hits and used sections of the game store? There is little point in competiting for the worst customers.

Also they probably want to establish the perception of stabililty and quality. I.E. They sell the Xbox 360 for 'more' than the PS3 for the equivalent SKU and that is with fewer features and pay to play online. They want people to think that the Xbox brand represents high quality and therefore is worth paying for. They also want to establish a degree of stability with the pricing so people don't feel they have to wait for a price cut, with Sony I have a feeling that people expect the price cuts too much and they become a self fulfilling prophecy. I.E. people expect a cut every X number of years so the sales go down as people wait for it which forces Sony to cut the price. They want people to jump on board as quickly as possible so look for a $X - $200 deal with $15/month Xbox Live at launch.



Even though these 'worse' consumers will allegedly bring in less profit than current customers, they'll still bring in profit. You think it'ss best to ignore them? That doesn't make sense.

Jay520 on 15 July 2012
kowenicki said:

Any profts from PS1 and PS2 (and believe me there wasnt that much considering their domination



The fact that Playstation's were so low last gen should be enough evidence that Sony's strategy favors marketshare over profit. For the record, I don't think they'll drop the price either, but for different reasons.