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M.U.G.E.N said:
Xxain said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
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M.U.G.E.N said:
Xxain said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
what's the comment about santa monica about? :S


Ascension is the 6th(?) GoW and looks just like every other GoW.


if you just go by appearence yes. They are trying quite a few new things with the game from what we have seen already. This isn't even being 'creative' ..they are just using a different already existing comic book line.


Like what? They added Multiplayer, the most cliche thing to do nowadays. When a game goes beyond the trilogy mark it must take steps to refresh to formula. Ascension has the same character( its time to retire Kratos), Same setting...it just time for something new. I can promise Ascension will be the last GoW that wont face backlash for being more of the same.

Did you see the multiplayer and read the details? It's a very well made MP that is more comparable to power stone games. MP is a huge risk for this franchise...something people will be very skeptical about but they took the risk anyways. doing prolgues is also a cliche thing you know...

so has batman changed? GoW IS about Kratos.....his personality may change but at least for now you can't blame them for keeping one of the most iconic characters in the history of PS. also their last game is the highest selling hack and slash in the history of gaming. The only way they can have a new character is a reboot or a retake on the whole game (which isn't what this batman game will be doing either..it's just a new setting)...and if that happens it will happen during ps4 not ps3.GOD:A is not the same setting either >_>

They changed combat, added time freezing for combat AND movement...new enemies. That's all we know for now and we will learn more with time as well. Going back to another comic book series with the same hero is NOT a risk at all...not even close to adding MP for GOW

Time freezing? ok

MP is not a step or forward or back.  As long as the main story is good ppl will ignore shitty multiplayers in a series not known for it as opposed to CoD where its the main attration.

You keep comparing GoW to Batman, but Batman has evolved. Batman games have been developed since the 80's and has had multiple game design mechanics with metroid Batman being the current which hasnt even seen a 3rd installment.  Go has 6 installments in 7 years and remain more of the same,.

yeah freezing...the gameplay demo showed it being used for combat 'and' puzzles/movement.

MP is a risk and a challenge...I can't think of a hack and slash game that has done multiplayer right. Ninja gaiden mp is a joke. This mp however, already have shown a lot of depth. whther it's a step forward remains to be seen until the product actually releases and we get to play it. If it's done right it's a step forward, just like with Uncharted

Didn't know Rocksteady made batman games since the 80's...oh wait that's not even related to this discussion. We are talking about this current batman series. You honestly shouldn't throw around the term 'more of the same' so much without actually using it when it's applicable...i honestly feel you are just biased against god of war games in general. Have you played all gow games? Do you enjoy them? Because if you did you will easily notice the changes they made

oh and look up gow multiplayer info/gameplay. It's very impressive...

Im not biased against anything. I do not consider features such as Graphics, Music, Story, MP as game design. I love Ninja Gaiden but when MP was introduce as "Game design ..eyeroll" in the face of sequel thats getting negative opinions ... means nothing to me. Did MP solve the mess the NG3 became? It sure didn't ... dont care. If they want to advance NG thats cool just advance core nothing else matters.



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Xxain said:
Not necessarily true. Core game design can vary, RE and FF being good examples. GoW can still be action game, Hell it blend action with a different to help add new mechanics. Metroid: Other M is good example of keeping the core but also delivering a fresh fresh oil change to how the game is played.


Well, since you listed examples of games that did change for the better (though it is arguable that RE changed for the worse). I'll list examples of games that didn't change and maintained or increase success & quality: Halo, Mario Kart, 2D Mario, 3D Mario, GTA, CoD, etc. I'll also liist game that did change and performed worse worse: Socom 4, Dragon Age 2, Resistance, etc.

As you can see, some games change for the good. And some change for the bad. Also, some stay the same for the good. And some stay the same for the bad. changing the core isn't that big of a factor for a game to mantain success. Changing the core isn't that big of a factor, in and of itself. The important thing is that the quality stays high and you allow enough time in between each installment. (Both of which the GoW has been achieving so far). If you're seeing bigger and bigger success critically and financially, that is not the time to change.

You don't just change for the sake of changing. Because changing does not necessarily cause or prevent success.. You change when your current methods begin to stagnate or fail. This is currently not the case for God of War. When God of War does start stagnating or failing, that is when you change. However, as of now, fans and critics love GoW's core, so it would be wise to keep the core the same.

forgot batman.

RS has made 2!!! batman games with Metroid core fumula. GoW has six installments. 2 is to young to be complaining about growing Stale ... 6 is. Hell 4 is to long for series to go without any changes 6 is definitely overdue



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M.U.G.E.N said:

yeah freezing...the gameplay demo showed it being used for combat 'and' puzzles/movement.

MP is a risk and a challenge...I can't think of a hack and slash game that has done multiplayer right. Ninja gaiden mp is a joke. This mp however, already have shown a lot of depth. whther it's a step forward remains to be seen until the product actually releases and we get to play it. If it's done right it's a step forward, just like with Uncharted

Didn't know Rocksteady made batman games since the 80's...oh wait that's not even related to this discussion. We are talking about this current batman series. You honestly shouldn't throw around the term 'more of the same' so much without actually using it when it's applicable...i honestly feel you are just biased against god of war games in general. Have you played all gow games? Do you enjoy them? Because if you did you will easily notice the changes they made

oh and look up gow multiplayer info/gameplay. It's very impressive...

Im not biased against anything. I do not consider features such as Graphics, Music, Story, MP as game design. I love Ninja Gaiden but when MP was introduce as "Game design ..eyeroll" in the face of sequel thats getting negative opinions ... means nothing to me. Did MP solve the mess the NG3 became? It sure didn't ... dont care. If they want to advance NG thats cool just advance core nothing else matters.

Yes you are. MP is a whole different ball game than the sp...even gameplay wise. Not sure why NG3 SP was a mess have anything to do with this. Making a good hack/slash multiplayer has not been done before afaik...it's a risk and a huge challenge for Santa Monica. THis is franchise that sells extremely well. they could have the sp only and still sold millions

you guys say you want new things....then you don't like the form of the new things. make up your mind already. I have told you they have advanced gameplay, combat, opened a whole new level of potential with time element, new environments, new enemies, change in kratos personality, a deep well thought out multiplayer and so on...you are definitely being biased here imho

answer my  earlier Q, how many gow games have you played completely? I refuse to believe if you played them you will not notice the changes



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Xxain said:

What does liking/caring for the series have to with anything. You dont have to like the series to notice notice the mold growing. Do you have to play Dynasty Warriors to realize that game design has been beat  to death?

...yes? I've never played Dynasty Warriors and so I really can't tell if it has grown stale or not. I would assume the same applies for any other franchise.



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oh and btw, stop saying 6 games already...this is about Santa Monica. This is their 4th game for GOW



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Xxain said:
Not necessarily true. Core game design can vary, RE and FF being good examples. GoW can still be action game, Hell it blend action with a different to help add new mechanics. Metroid: Other M is good example of keeping the core but also delivering a fresh fresh oil change to how the game is played.


Well, since you listed examples of games that did change for the better (though it is arguable that RE changed for the worse). I'll list examples of games that didn't change and maintained or increase success & quality: Halo, Mario Kart, 2D Mario, 3D Mario, GTA, CoD, etc. I'll also liist game that did change and performed worse worse: Socom 4, Dragon Age 2, Resistance, etc.

As you can see, some games change for the good. And sime change for the bad. Also, some stay the same for the good. And some stay the same for the bad. changing the core isn't that big of a factor for a game to mantain success. Changing the core isn't that important. The important thing is that the quality stays high and you allow enough time in between each installment. (Both of which the HoW has been achieving so far). If you're seeing bigger and bigger success critically and financially), that is not the time to change.

You don't just change for the sake of changing. You change when your current methods being to stagnate or fail. This is currently not the case for God of War. When God of War does start stagnating or failing, that is when you change. However, as of now, fans and critics love GoW's current core, so it would be wise to keep the core the same.


again not set n stone true. Why do ppl complain about CoD, assassins, Pokemon, Madden,Mario ext? These IP's all sell very well but remain general the same. Just because an IP is high seller does not mean players do not expect change, and having a high seller should not be an excuse for a developer to rinse and repeat. As a developer you should be driven to renew the way gamers play regardless of Sales. If they dont then you get Dynasty Warriors. 



Xxain said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Xxain said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
what's the comment about santa monica about? :S


Ascension is the 6th(?) GoW and looks just like every other GoW.


if you just go by appearence yes. They are trying quite a few new things with the game from what we have seen already. This isn't even being 'creative' ..they are just using a different already existing comic book line.


Like what? They added Multiplayer, the most cliche thing to do nowadays. When a game goes beyond the trilogy mark it must take steps to refresh to formula. Ascension has the same character( its time to retire Kratos), Same setting...it just time for something new. I can promise Ascension will be the last GoW that wont face backlash for being more of the same.

Thank you, even the blindest GoW fan has to see this by now.



btw change thread to arguing about GoW so we dont keeping trolling ppl expecting to talk about Batman



Xxain said:
 


again not set n stone true. Why do ppl complain about CoD, assassins, Pokemon, Madden,Mario ext? These IP's all sell very well but remain general the same. Just because an IP is high seller does not mean players do not expect change, and having a high seller should be an excuse for a developer to rinse and repeat. As a developer you should be driven to renew the way gamers play regardless of Sales. If they dont then you get Dynasty Warriors. 



Well now you're speaking subjectively. And your opinion is not shared with the majority. Of those games you listed, they are all still considered high quality by fans and critics. (Except for Madden but that doesn't have any competition so people have to buy it to play NFL football). The people that disagree are in the minority.. These people probably aren't even fans to begin with. I think you're referring to Internet fans rather than the global populace of fans. If most players expected change, then those games would not be so successful. That's not the case. People want the same core. It's as simple as that.

Like you said, nothing is set in stone. You have your Halo's and you have your Dynasty Warriors. Both games stayed similar to their core, but have two different outcomes. Also, You have your Dragon Age 2's and you have your Resident Evils. Both games changed, but have two different outcomes. Changing a games's core doesn't ensure success or failure. There are obviously bigger factors at work here.