Does universal health care ring a bell? This seems like hyperboyle, but coming from you I doubt it. Romney is a Repulican so I would disagree with hime on most things because I disagree with republican views on almost all issues except gun control and possibly immigration. I am way more inclined to agree with a libertarian, while  all republicans chaffe me the wrong way and that is just not going to change no matter who it is.

Bush jr. was better because he was a clown and made us laugh hard
also he was a much better as a puppet...

Pretty much yeah.  Well at the moment anyway.  There is the worry that Howard Dean had though, which I believe is that he thinks singlle payer will actually be harder to broker, and if the republcians "wise up" they'd probably end up picking apart a lot of the more liberal apsects to make it look like the Swiss program.

Individual Mandate and the presxiting are here to stay though. 

You forget Yemen, and Pakistan. You forget the increased warmongering for Iran. You forget that Obama increased troops to Afghanistan, and only left Iraq because the Iraqis wouldn't extend the timetable negiotatied by the Bush administration.

Bush may have grown spending faster than Obama in percentage terms. But this isn't a plus for anybody... ANY increase is bad politics and immoral.

Private sector job creation flat-lining has less to do with either President, and much more to do with the system at hand (which the Presidents are a major part of, but this has been going on for decades... in a sense, they all share equal blame, and so do the people that have consistently voted for bad policies... though they had been lied to).

Same thing with recessions. This is primarily down to the Federal Reserve system. Bad policy makes things worse (and Obama's policy is worse than what Bush's was in 2001), but it's a small part of the pie.

There are always "micro-scandals" going on. Off the top of my head, I remember the secret service prostitute thing, the GSA. Micro-scandals also probably occurred under Bush, but I wasn't as involved in politics. I was under the impression that F&F started under the Bush administration. BP oil spill was caused by Government intervention (they forced BP to drill deeper than they wanted to... I don't know which administration did this). Louisiana had a plan to try and solve issues for their coast a lot earlier than the Feds could have allowed, but the Obama administration obstructed them. With Hurricane Katrina, the reverse happened, Louisiana prevented the Feds from getting involved.

Obama reauthorized the Patriot Act. He has also signed the Trespass Act. You also have warrantless wire tapping, which started and was legalized under Bush (Obama voted for it as a Senator), Obama has also continued this program. Guantanamo Bay - Bush opened this, Obama campaigned on closing, and signed an order to close it... later continued indefinite detention at the prison.

Bush started drone strikes, but Obama ramped them up. He also completely changed the game by ordering the assassination of US citizens. Obama DID, however, end the use of "enhanced interrogation".

Healthcare is what it is. I've grown bored of that particular conversation.


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Looking at it, it's hard to see how anyone except the most blinded of fools could consider either of these people to be a good President. Hell, they're not even Presidents, they act like Kings.

That is your thing that makes Bush a better President than Obama. If congress/house didn't vote for what he wanted, he would pass it anyway. If Obama had the balls to do this, our country would be in a much better shape.

And then, if you start to see things continue with the next few people to hold office, and I would be hard pressed to not think it will, it is going to be hard to think electing anyone is going to make a difference.  America isn't even sure what it wants to be at this point.  Big divide over role of government and so on, and everyone feeling pretty powerless for change.

I say this now, looking over my local paper, and seeing how some Chinese solar power company has not even bothered to follow through one developing a former IBM plant where I am, and people say no one has heard from them.  Nope, no one seems to have answers.

Uh... he does that all the time.

Congress wouldn't pass the DREAM Act, so Obama basically enacted it through executive order.

When Congress blocked a $200 million dollar aid package to the Palestinian Authority, Obama did it through executive order.

When Congress put a hold on $1.5 billion in military aid to Egypt, Obama again did it through an executive order.

Rather than even asking Congress to authorize US involvement in Libya, Obama did it on his own.

The idea that poor little Obama is just too nice and too respectful of the separation of powers to get anything done is such laughable bullshit.

Project Gunrunner started under the Bush administration, but all previous ops in the project were done in cooperation with the Mexican government. Fast & Furious was the first one to leave the Mexicans out of the loop and, probably not coincidentally, it was the first one to be totally FUBAR.

That is normal for a President to use executive order for military reasons. But Bush had the balls to push through things that had nothing to do with the military, under the excuse of this country is in war, so every law is a war time decision. Obama hasn't shown the balls to do this type of action.

Such as?

And it is not at all normal to not ask Congress to authorize military action just because you insist on calling it a "kinetic military action" and not a war.