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The Pro version shouldn't be compared to iPads. iPads and other Androit tablets are like giant cellphones with an adapted OS, Windows 8 Tablet has a full version of Windows 8 with USB ports. USB and Windows is all I care, no need for "apps" when you could get the same software that you have on your laptop. Also this tells me that I could run a PC game on this tablet and just plug in my 360 controller on top of every software designed for touch controls... this is the definitive tablet imo...



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endimion said:
and what i hate about portable device is lack of customization.... i mean what hobby dudes will have in 15 years... no one works rwally on cars like before, no one works on house electronic like before, and it looks like no one will be building computer soon... so what's left? yard work? washing/polishing the car....

we need a new DIY wave again :)


What you hate are what some people love.  A tailored consumer device, not a general purpose device.

No one really works on cars anymore.  They do, but they don't.  The amount of tools required to work on a car today doesn't fit within a toolbox and they've become exceptionally technical.  But there are still people who work on cares.  Just not like they used to.

No one works on house electronic like before.  You have to go a LONG way back to when people worked on electronics.  The last consumer electronic that people actively built was the personal computer and that was in the early to mid 1970's.  Before the advent of the transistor, people tinkered with their radios and TVs because you replaced tubes.

As long as there is a PC, then there will be a computer that people can assemble themselves.  I don't see the age of the PC going away any time soon.

The reason why people get away from working on things like cars or electronics is because the average consumer wants a device to work.  They don't necessarily want to know how it works, they just want it to function the way it was designed to.  That's why the iPhone and iPad were so successful.  Smartphones weren't invented by Apple, they existed long before.  The problem was that no one made a device that worked the way consumers wanted to work.  You had to learn the device, and you had to find apps, and find services that would work with it.  Not to mention, browsing on the web meant either using incompatible browsers, or using sites made specifically for mobile content.

If you don't like tablets, you don't like tablets, but a large group of the population does and they want easy to use, small, lightweight, portable devices that don't require being "setup" to use, but can just be whipped out.

I'm gonna feel really sad for you when self-driving cars become a mass consumer item.  You're going to be all sorts of unhappy then.



Adinnieken said:
endimion said:
and what i hate about portable device is lack of customization.... i mean what hobby dudes will have in 15 years... no one works rwally on cars like before, no one works on house electronic like before, and it looks like no one will be building computer soon... so what's left? yard work? washing/polishing the car....

we need a new DIY wave again :)


What you hate are what some people love.  A tailored consumer device, not a general purpose device.

No one really works on cars anymore.  They do, but they don't.  The amount of tools required to work on a car today doesn't fit within a toolbox and they've become exceptionally technical.  But there are still people who work on cares.  Just not like they used to.

No one works on house electronic like before.  You have to go a LONG way back to when people worked on electronics.  The last consumer electronic that people actively built was the personal computer and that was in the early to mid 1970's.  Before the advent of the transistor, people tinkered with their radios and TVs because you replaced tubes.

As long as there is a PC, then there will be a computer that people can assemble themselves.  I don't see the age of the PC going away any time soon.

The reason why people get away from working on things like cars or electronics is because the average consumer wants a device to work.  They don't necessarily want to know how it works, they just want it to function the way it was designed to.  That's why the iPhone and iPad were so successful.  Smartphones weren't invented by Apple, they existed long before.  The problem was that no one made a device that worked the way consumers wanted to work.  You had to learn the device, and you had to find apps, and find services that would work with it.  Not to mention, browsing on the web meant either using incompatible browsers, or using sites made specifically for mobile content.

If you don't like tablets, you don't like tablets, but a large group of the population does and they want easy to use, small, lightweight, portable devices that don't require being "setup" to use, but can just be whipped out.

I'm gonna feel really sad for you when self-driving cars become a mass consumer item.  You're going to be all sorts of unhappy then.

you do realize i have a samsung series 7 slate... currently typing on it to answer your post... i do not hate tablets... i do not like the lack of customization and diy factor in the mobile device world...

other than that you pretty much said in details what i meant



.:Dark Prince:. said:

That's all that comes to mind, really.

 

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LivingMetal said:

Microsoft Surface is all style and no substance at all

By Robert X. Cringely

Microsoft’s Hollywood announcement Monday of its two Surface tablet computers was a tactical triumph but had no strategic value for the world’s largest software company because the event left too many questions unanswered. If I were to guess what was on Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer’s mind it was simply to beat next week’s expected announcement of a Google branded tablet running Android. Microsoft, already playing catch-up to Apple’s iPad, does not want to be seen as following Google, too. So they held an event that was all style and no substance at all.

This is not to say that Microsoft shouldn’t make a tablet and couldn’t make a good one, but this particular event proved almost nothing.

Microsoft announced two tablets but only one was shown. No prices and few specs were announced. The clever keyboard cover mentioned in all stories (including this one) wasn’t functional. No reporters thought to count the ports on the sides of the one tablet available for use and they couldn’t look at their pictures to count them later because they weren’t allowed to take any that showed the sides.

What Microsoft did was play well the mystery card, copying Apple, though I’m not sure how well that will work the next time. To their credit, though, when Google’s tablet is covered here and everywhere next week you can bet the Surface line will get nearly as much comparative play as Apple’s iPad.

Now you See It, Now You Don't

With that out of the way let’s consider what are Microsoft’s expectations for a tablet, which are more diverse than one might expect.

Several stories pointed out that building a Microsoft branded tablet might alienate Redmond’s long list of hardware OEMs. While this is true, I’d suggest you look at it another way. I have over the last 25+ years attended dozens of high-profile Microsoft events for products that never made it to market. Knowing that, my first instinct said this was a Microsoft threat more than anything else.

Look back to Microsoft’s many antitrust defenses and you’ll see they threatened just about every OEM at some point. Bullying is in Microsoft’s DNA. Their legal defense was that they never intended to follow through which, by the way, didn’t work with the judges, either.

So does Microsoft really intend to introduce these tablets? Probably. Could something happen to change that determination? Sure.

One really good reason for announcing such vaporous products under the Microsoft brand is that novelty has dissuaded many commentators from questioning the whole enterprise. Microsoft is being given the benefit of the doubt based on what, a kickstand?

It's About Exchange

So here’s what I’ve been able to figure out about the two Surface machines and where they might be positioned. For one, the ARM-based unit had an nVIDIA Tegra2 processor like most of the Android tablets. The Win8 unit will use an Intel Atom.

It’s puzzling to think how Microsoft will position these tablets. But having scratched my head a lot I’ve decided their story will be that these are the corporate tablets. They’ll run Exchange really, really well, come packed already with Office, and if your IT department is comfortable with Windows, well they’ll be comfortable with these tablets, too.

It’s weak, I know, but that’s the best I could come up with, folks. Sorry.

Microsoft can’t claim these tablets are better than the iPad, and I didn’t see a word to that effect in any of the stories (I wasn’t invited to the L.A. event). They might try to compete on price, but they don’t seem to be doing that either. Nor can they, really, since Apple makes its own CPUs and Microsoft doesn’t. How can Microsoft undercut Apple on price? Maybe by thinning margins, but these tablets aren’t going to leave Redmond with a $100 bill taped to the bottom. Those days are over.

Windows is always playing catch-up to OS X just as these tablets are to the iPads. While we’ll see instances of design brilliance, like that kickstand, not even Microsoft expects their product to be in any way broadly superior to the iPad.

So Microsoft is vying here for second place and the comparison that really counts is with next week’s Google tablet, not the iPad.

http://betanews.com/2012/06/21/microsoft-surface-is-all-style-and-no-substance-at-all/

Personal note: Here is the interesting part...

"Look back to Microsoft’s many antitrust defenses and you’ll see they threatened just about every OEM at some point. Bullying is in Microsoft’s DNA. Their legal defense was that they never intended to follow through which, by the way, didn’t work with the judges, either."

Looks like some things have not changed at least according to this guy.

So why was a thread started up with one of the only negative articles about Surface, LivingMetal?  What was your intention?



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The most incredible part of the article is that bit about style. MS never was stylish during its whole existence.



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Darth Tigris said:
LivingMetal said:

Microsoft Surface is all style and no substance at all

By Robert X. Cringely

Microsoft’s Hollywood announcement Monday of its two Surface tablet computers was a tactical triumph but had no strategic value for the world’s largest software company because the event left too many questions unanswered. If I were to guess what was on Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer’s mind it was simply to beat next week’s expected announcement of a Google branded tablet running Android. Microsoft, already playing catch-up to Apple’s iPad, does not want to be seen as following Google, too. So they held an event that was all style and no substance at all.

This is not to say that Microsoft shouldn’t make a tablet and couldn’t make a good one, but this particular event proved almost nothing.

Microsoft announced two tablets but only one was shown. No prices and few specs were announced. The clever keyboard cover mentioned in all stories (including this one) wasn’t functional. No reporters thought to count the ports on the sides of the one tablet available for use and they couldn’t look at their pictures to count them later because they weren’t allowed to take any that showed the sides.

What Microsoft did was play well the mystery card, copying Apple, though I’m not sure how well that will work the next time. To their credit, though, when Google’s tablet is covered here and everywhere next week you can bet the Surface line will get nearly as much comparative play as Apple’s iPad.

Now you See It, Now You Don't

With that out of the way let’s consider what are Microsoft’s expectations for a tablet, which are more diverse than one might expect.

Several stories pointed out that building a Microsoft branded tablet might alienate Redmond’s long list of hardware OEMs. While this is true, I’d suggest you look at it another way. I have over the last 25+ years attended dozens of high-profile Microsoft events for products that never made it to market. Knowing that, my first instinct said this was a Microsoft threat more than anything else.

Look back to Microsoft’s many antitrust defenses and you’ll see they threatened just about every OEM at some point. Bullying is in Microsoft’s DNA. Their legal defense was that they never intended to follow through which, by the way, didn’t work with the judges, either.

So does Microsoft really intend to introduce these tablets? Probably. Could something happen to change that determination? Sure.

One really good reason for announcing such vaporous products under the Microsoft brand is that novelty has dissuaded many commentators from questioning the whole enterprise. Microsoft is being given the benefit of the doubt based on what, a kickstand?

It's About Exchange

So here’s what I’ve been able to figure out about the two Surface machines and where they might be positioned. For one, the ARM-based unit had an nVIDIA Tegra2 processor like most of the Android tablets. The Win8 unit will use an Intel Atom.

It’s puzzling to think how Microsoft will position these tablets. But having scratched my head a lot I’ve decided their story will be that these are the corporate tablets. They’ll run Exchange really, really well, come packed already with Office, and if your IT department is comfortable with Windows, well they’ll be comfortable with these tablets, too.

It’s weak, I know, but that’s the best I could come up with, folks. Sorry.

Microsoft can’t claim these tablets are better than the iPad, and I didn’t see a word to that effect in any of the stories (I wasn’t invited to the L.A. event). They might try to compete on price, but they don’t seem to be doing that either. Nor can they, really, since Apple makes its own CPUs and Microsoft doesn’t. How can Microsoft undercut Apple on price? Maybe by thinning margins, but these tablets aren’t going to leave Redmond with a $100 bill taped to the bottom. Those days are over.

Windows is always playing catch-up to OS X just as these tablets are to the iPads. While we’ll see instances of design brilliance, like that kickstand, not even Microsoft expects their product to be in any way broadly superior to the iPad.

So Microsoft is vying here for second place and the comparison that really counts is with next week’s Google tablet, not the iPad.

http://betanews.com/2012/06/21/microsoft-surface-is-all-style-and-no-substance-at-all/

Personal note: Here is the interesting part...

"Look back to Microsoft’s many antitrust defenses and you’ll see they threatened just about every OEM at some point. Bullying is in Microsoft’s DNA. Their legal defense was that they never intended to follow through which, by the way, didn’t work with the judges, either."

Looks like some things have not changed at least according to this guy.

So why was a thread started up with one of the only negative articles about Surface, LivingMetal?  What was your intention?


It's an opinion piece.  Don't take it so personal.  You share opinions, too, ya know:

"I'm surprised that people would defend Motorola in this situation, as it is clear they are demanding an unusually high amount.  Well, except for those that just want to see Microsoft burn ..."

-you

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4648805

You don't see me getting bent out of shape over your opinions.  Get over yourself.



LivingMetal said:

Darth Tigris said:

So why was a thread started up with one of the only negative articles about Surface, LivingMetal?  What was your intention?

 


It's an opinion piece.  Don't take it so personal.  You share opinions, too, ya know:

"I'm surprised that people would defend Motorola in this situation, as it is clear they are demanding an unusually high amount.  Well, except for those that just want to see Microsoft burn ..."

-you

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4648805

You don't see me getting bent out of shape over your opinions.  Get over yourself.


I took nothing personal.  And the opinion is not yours anyway, but that of another site.  And I didn't get bent out of shape, I just asked a very simple question.

But you avoided answering that very simple question: what was your intention in starting a thread with an article (opinion piece) that is negative and doesn't reflect the overwhelming majority of reactions to Surface?  You can be honest here.  It's the internet.  ; )



Darth Tigris said:
LivingMetal said:

Darth Tigris said:

So why was a thread started up with one of the only negative articles about Surface, LivingMetal?  What was your intention?

 


It's an opinion piece.  Don't take it so personal.  You share opinions, too, ya know:

"I'm surprised that people would defend Motorola in this situation, as it is clear they are demanding an unusually high amount.  Well, except for those that just want to see Microsoft burn ..."

-you

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4648805

You don't see me getting bent out of shape over your opinions.  Get over yourself.


I took nothing personal.  And the opinion is not yours anyway, but that of another site.  And I didn't get bent out of shape, I just asked a very simple question.

But you avoided answering that very simple question: what was your intention in starting a thread with an article (opinion piece) that is negative and doesn't reflect the overwhelming majority of reactions to Surface?  You can be honest here.  It's the internet.  ; )


First of all, I can post any opinion piece I want.  Who cares whether it's my opinion or not.

Second, I'm not accountable to you so I don't have to answer any of your questions.  in fact , I DID answer your questions in my last post by at the very least implying that is was a post of an opinion piece and nothing more.  But as long as my views are not absolutely in favor of the Xbox 360, any response to you will never be sufficient.  If you have no issues with my original post, there would be no need to question my motives.  You can be honest here.  It's the internet.  



LivingMetal said:
Darth Tigris said:
LivingMetal said:

Microsoft Surface is all style and no substance at all

By Robert X. Cringely

Microsoft’s Hollywood announcement Monday of its two Surface tablet computers was a tactical triumph but had no strategic value for the world’s largest software company because the event left too many questions unanswered. If I were to guess what was on Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer’s mind it was simply to beat next week’s expected announcement of a Google branded tablet running Android. Microsoft, already playing catch-up to Apple’s iPad, does not want to be seen as following Google, too. So they held an event that was all style and no substance at all.

This is not to say that Microsoft shouldn’t make a tablet and couldn’t make a good one, but this particular event proved almost nothing.

Microsoft announced two tablets but only one was shown. No prices and few specs were announced. The clever keyboard cover mentioned in all stories (including this one) wasn’t functional. No reporters thought to count the ports on the sides of the one tablet available for use and they couldn’t look at their pictures to count them later because they weren’t allowed to take any that showed the sides.

What Microsoft did was play well the mystery card, copying Apple, though I’m not sure how well that will work the next time. To their credit, though, when Google’s tablet is covered here and everywhere next week you can bet the Surface line will get nearly as much comparative play as Apple’s iPad.

Now you See It, Now You Don't

With that out of the way let’s consider what are Microsoft’s expectations for a tablet, which are more diverse than one might expect.

Several stories pointed out that building a Microsoft branded tablet might alienate Redmond’s long list of hardware OEMs. While this is true, I’d suggest you look at it another way. I have over the last 25+ years attended dozens of high-profile Microsoft events for products that never made it to market. Knowing that, my first instinct said this was a Microsoft threat more than anything else.

Look back to Microsoft’s many antitrust defenses and you’ll see they threatened just about every OEM at some point. Bullying is in Microsoft’s DNA. Their legal defense was that they never intended to follow through which, by the way, didn’t work with the judges, either.

So does Microsoft really intend to introduce these tablets? Probably. Could something happen to change that determination? Sure.

One really good reason for announcing such vaporous products under the Microsoft brand is that novelty has dissuaded many commentators from questioning the whole enterprise. Microsoft is being given the benefit of the doubt based on what, a kickstand?

It's About Exchange

So here’s what I’ve been able to figure out about the two Surface machines and where they might be positioned. For one, the ARM-based unit had an nVIDIA Tegra2 processor like most of the Android tablets. The Win8 unit will use an Intel Atom.

It’s puzzling to think how Microsoft will position these tablets. But having scratched my head a lot I’ve decided their story will be that these are the corporate tablets. They’ll run Exchange really, really well, come packed already with Office, and if your IT department is comfortable with Windows, well they’ll be comfortable with these tablets, too.

It’s weak, I know, but that’s the best I could come up with, folks. Sorry.

Microsoft can’t claim these tablets are better than the iPad, and I didn’t see a word to that effect in any of the stories (I wasn’t invited to the L.A. event). They might try to compete on price, but they don’t seem to be doing that either. Nor can they, really, since Apple makes its own CPUs and Microsoft doesn’t. How can Microsoft undercut Apple on price? Maybe by thinning margins, but these tablets aren’t going to leave Redmond with a $100 bill taped to the bottom. Those days are over.

Windows is always playing catch-up to OS X just as these tablets are to the iPads. While we’ll see instances of design brilliance, like that kickstand, not even Microsoft expects their product to be in any way broadly superior to the iPad.

So Microsoft is vying here for second place and the comparison that really counts is with next week’s Google tablet, not the iPad.

http://betanews.com/2012/06/21/microsoft-surface-is-all-style-and-no-substance-at-all/

Personal note: Here is the interesting part...

"Look back to Microsoft’s many antitrust defenses and you’ll see they threatened just about every OEM at some point. Bullying is in Microsoft’s DNA. Their legal defense was that they never intended to follow through which, by the way, didn’t work with the judges, either."

Looks like some things have not changed at least according to this guy.

So why was a thread started up with one of the only negative articles about Surface, LivingMetal?  What was your intention?


It's an opinion piece.  Don't take it so personal.  You share opinions, too, ya know:

"I'm surprised that people would defend Motorola in this situation, as it is clear they are demanding an unusually high amount.  Well, except for those that just want to see Microsoft burn ..."

-you

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4648805

You don't see me getting bent out of shape over your opinions.  Get over yourself.

then again it's not opinion here motorolla is out of line on the amount asked period.... we all know that, the judges know that... a fee should be payed sure but not X billion of dollars it's completely out there from moto... and never in history a recommended ban has ever been enforced for such matter... never...

now that article is obviously writen by someone that doesn't know what he is talking about... his facts are not even accurate... so even having people arguing over it is like people arguing over john madden comment about soccer... a waste of time...