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theprof00 said:
@darth
Could you help understand what it is youre talking about?
You said many manufacturers settled with ms. Sure, ms wasnt intruding on their patents. Its intruding on motos, right?
So ms sued or gets payments from other device manufacturers. That doesnt mean moto is unreasonable. It means they they didnt like what ms was pulling.
I know for a fact that lots of companies use each others patents without paying and those companies use the others. Its just an unspoken agreement. But then ms has a phone and wants to reel in its competitors with their royalties.
Moto says fine have it your way, and countersues. The judge already agreed that both were trying to gain competitive advantage, so ms is at least guilty of doing that with the phone royalties, which in turn makes it reasonable for moto to countersue, imo.

When it came to the patents that Android was infringing upon, MS approached each of the Android device manunfacturers with an attempt to settle out of court.  The overwhelming majority of them have.  Motorola, instead, chose to fight and (as of now) has lost.  Considering the likely relatively low cost of the proposed settlement, that fight seems to be a foolish one, as it's clear that Samsung, HTC and others are doing just fine financially and, most importantly for us, there has been no cost increase for the consumer.

What Motorola/Google is doing with the h.264 patent suit (which is a completely separate matter), though, COULD trickle down to us.  Why?  Because, as has been discussed clearly and much better than me many times in this thread, the license under FRAND should not be this exhorbitant.  It seems to be more of a strike at MS (as I have not heard any other company being sued for this though it is extremely likely that h.264 is all over the place) than an effort to receive a reinbursement that is fair.

I'm surprised that people would defend Motorola in this situation, as it is clear they are demanding an unusually high amount.  Well, except for those that just want to see Microsoft burn ...