Eyetoy came before Kinect, and was pretty mass market already. Kinect was a refinement of Eyetoy, extending its capabilities. I'm sure Sony is kicking themselves for not having thought of the Kinect type refinement first (it's clearly outperforming Move).

My point exactly. The first to market doesn't matter unless they make the mass market interested in it. Kinect wasn't even close to being the first of it's kind, but it was the first that really got the mass market interested in that type of tech.

then again what is mass market??? to me ipads kinects even smartphones until they passed 50% of mkt shares in cellphones... were/are not mass market... imo... they are new trends on the rise... when moms and pops will buy them like a tivo/dvr or a tv... then it'll be mass market.... but at what 70 million sold total or so is hardly mass market imo... it's not even 10% of the pc market and that is if we assume ipad owner replace completely their other computer with it and if all owners are single time buyers...

to me it is still as mass market as blu ray is in regard to dvd...

I was thinking on a smaller scale. But I see what you are saying.

and what i hate about portable device is lack of customization.... i mean what hobby dudes will have in 15 years... no one works rwally on cars like before, no one works on house electronic like before, and it looks like no one will be building computer soon... so what's left? yard work? washing/polishing the car....

we need a new DIY wave again :)

You might want to read what I said again. I said that Eyetoy was already pretty mass market. The mass market was already interested in it, Kinect just refined it, capitalising on the existing market. I'd say that what really got the mass market interested in the tech to begin with was Minority Report, but that's a different issue.

It was the EyeToy that established the camera-based control market, as it was the iPad that established the tablet market. What Kinect did was take the idea, and refine it by adding the depth-detecting camera factor (can't remember - is it Infrared that it uses for that?). That improved the fidelity, and thus enabled games that would grow the market. But the market was already there, waiting to be expanded, and that's what Eyetoy did - it established the market.

Intel still fab all their own chips, and IBM still have their own foundries but they also use others when they have overflow.

This.

Pretty much this. The media and critics have developed the fanboy culture of forum nerds. Its completely killed objectivity and journalism in the media industry.

I was actually pretty impressed with Surface. If my old laptop had lasted to whenever the release date is going to be I might have been tempted to go with that instead of a new laptop.