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happydolphin on 21 June 2012
sega4life said:
sega4life said:
Ostro said:
Comments like this are hated but:
There is a reason the iPad has limited things: it actually works and helps people who need a device that can handle everything on its own. We already saw the Surface is crashing just like any other Microsoft thing.

Also, it's something different when you come up with an idea at the right time. Microsoft may have had the tablet idea first but at the wrong time. Nobody cared and it was a pretty mediocre thing that is in no way like what we have today. So it's pretty legit to say Apple "invented" this thing because it was the first that worked well and mattered because it was at the right time.
Microsoft didn't come up with it anyway. Every device you love has been in the making for years by insane people that do not work for big companies. Just like haptic touchscreens and perspective screens that allow you to see the same thing from any angle or even walk around a 3D object. It's all been done already.


from:

"So it's pretty legit to say Apple "invented" this thing because it was the first that worked well and mattered because it was at the right time."

to:

"Microsoft didn't come up with it anyway. Every device you love has been in the making for years by insane people that do not work for big companies."

In one post....

 

I just modded my phone with a better rom.... So I invent smart phones.... O and modding, I invented modding.

O shit, Posts, I made a better post, I invented Posts!

 

 

Just wanted to make a reply to say I invented Replies!

You invented quote-posting and bold-text too. You are so awesome.

There are so many more things in your post that you invented, there is just so much. You invented grammar, underline, quadruple-dots.

I'm amazed.



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crissindahouse on 21 June 2012
Mistershine said:
crissindahouse said:

surface has to be a hit! why? because many people start to hate it even before it is released. everything which get's a lot of hate is a huge hit.

iphones
ipads
justin bieber
fast food
cod

something which is a huge hit and doesn't get a lot of hate:

...


Who hates cod? It goes great with chips and curry sauce. :P

ohh didn't know cod is the englisch word for some kind of fish^^



Millenium on 21 June 2012

@criss: lol! :p



greenmedic88 on 21 June 2012
.:Dark Prince:. said:

That's all that comes to mind, really.

And yet MS never managed to actually release a successful product to market. Hint: it's not because the world is full of MS haterz. In 2002, they had well over 90% of the desktop market.

Instead they built tablet functions into Windows, which leads us to Windows 8, 10 years later. 

And really, the tablet PC is an evolution of the PDA, which begat the smartphone. And of course, everyone remembers the big ball of win that was the Apple Newton. Just like the Tablet PC, the underlying technology and the market to make them commercially viable just weren't there at the time. 



greenmedic88 on 21 June 2012
Slimebeast said:
Scoobes said:
Considering the price it does sound like they're targeting the business sector more than the consumer market that the iPad currently reigns over. My guess is they hope that it'll eventually improve the uptake of consumer Windows based tablets due to app comparability. I'm not sure how well this will work for them, especially with Google and Android offering further competition.

What price?

And another question. Does Apple really make their own CPUs?

The A5X is their design. Based upon the ARM Cortex A9 like virtually every SoC out there today. The Nvidia Tegra 3 for instance, is another SoC based upon the A9. So saying Apple doesn't make their own SoC for the iPad is the same as saying Nvidia doesn't make the Tegra line of SoCs.

If you're asking do they own the factories that produce the chips, you should already know that's not how any tech companies work in practice. Samsung is one of the few exceptions that come to mind. 



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Slimebeast on 21 June 2012
greenmedic88 said:
Slimebeast said:
Scoobes said:
Considering the price it does sound like they're targeting the business sector more than the consumer market that the iPad currently reigns over. My guess is they hope that it'll eventually improve the uptake of consumer Windows based tablets due to app comparability. I'm not sure how well this will work for them, especially with Google and Android offering further competition.

What price?

And another question. Does Apple really make their own CPUs?

The A5X is their design. Based upon the ARM Cortex A9 like virtually every SoC out there today. The Nvidia Tegra 3 for instance, is another SoC based upon the A9. So saying Apple doesn't make their own SoC for the iPad is the same as saying Nvidia doesn't make the Tegra line of SoCs.

If you're asking do they own the factories that produce the chips, you should already know that's not how any tech companies work in practice. Samsung is one of the few exceptions that come to mind. 

Great explanation.

So no CPU developed from the ground up like IBM, Intel, AMD or ARM. (far from it if I interpret it right)

More like a custom design instead of a huge engineer undertaking.

I totally didn't know that about Tegra and Nvidia though. I thought Tegra was developed from ground up by Nvidia based on their desktop/mobile GPU engineering expertise.



greenmedic88 on 21 June 2012
Kynes said:

The Pro version has an i5, it's an ultrabook in a tablet disguise, the perfect item for the corporate world. It will reach a market that the iPad can't, and a very lucrative one.

It's comparable with the Samsung Series 7 Slate, which currently uses a Sandy Bridge i5 and runs Windows 7. 

I think it's a solid product, particularly with the Wacom tablet functions built in (which also happens to be priced the same as a well optioned ultrabook), but the fact that few seem to know about them illustrates that the Surface Pro is far from likely to be the volume seller among the 2 Surface options.



WiiBox3 on 21 June 2012
greenmedic88 said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:

That's all that comes to mind, really.

And yet MS never managed to actually release a successful product to market. Hint: it's not because the world is full of MS haterz. In 2002, they had well over 90% of the desktop market.

Instead they built tablet functions into Windows, which leads us to Windows 8, 10 years later. 

And really, the tablet PC is an evolution of the PDA, which begat the smartphone. And of course, everyone remembers the big ball of win that was the Apple Newton. Just like the Tablet PC, the underlying technology and the market to make them commercially viable just weren't there at the time. 

XBox 360?



greenmedic88 on 21 June 2012
Slimebeast said:
greenmedic88 said:
Slimebeast said:
Scoobes said:
Considering the price it does sound like they're targeting the business sector more than the consumer market that the iPad currently reigns over. My guess is they hope that it'll eventually improve the uptake of consumer Windows based tablets due to app comparability. I'm not sure how well this will work for them, especially with Google and Android offering further competition.

What price?

And another question. Does Apple really make their own CPUs?

The A5X is their design. Based upon the ARM Cortex A9 like virtually every SoC out there today. The Nvidia Tegra 3 for instance, is another SoC based upon the A9. So saying Apple doesn't make their own SoC for the iPad is the same as saying Nvidia doesn't make the Tegra line of SoCs.

If you're asking do they own the factories that produce the chips, you should already know that's not how any tech companies work in practice. Samsung is one of the few exceptions that come to mind. 

Great explanation.

So no CPU developed from the ground up like IBM, Intel, AMD or ARM. (far from it if I interpret it right)

More like a custom design instead of a huge engineer undertaking.

I totally didn't know that about Tegra and Nvidia though. I thought Tegra was developed from ground up by Nvidia based on their desktop/mobile GPU engineering expertise.

That's how ARM works. They're like the greatest (in terms of relevancy) chip company that doesn't actually produce any physical products.

I was surprised at just how many SoCs were based upon their architecture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore



greenmedic88 on 21 June 2012
WiiBox3 said:
greenmedic88 said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:

That's all that comes to mind, really.

And yet MS never managed to actually release a successful product to market. Hint: it's not because the world is full of MS haterz. In 2002, they had well over 90% of the desktop market.

Instead they built tablet functions into Windows, which leads us to Windows 8, 10 years later. 

And really, the tablet PC is an evolution of the PDA, which begat the smartphone. And of course, everyone remembers the big ball of win that was the Apple Newton. Just like the Tablet PC, the underlying technology and the market to make them commercially viable just weren't there at the time. 

XBox 360?

No dude. Their Tablet PC. It went down as one of their many products that never made it to market in any significant way.