Oromashu said: Jay520 said: Oromashu said: Well, it's not like they can't, it's just that it would be too drastic of a change for them if they don't have the expertise in it. The problem, I would think, is the market itself. Why would Nintendo lump itself into FPS when it is the most competitive genre right now? There is far less competition in action adventure, platformers, party games, RPGs, racing, and casual games. As far as I can tell, Mario has no competition when it comes to platformers, Zelda has some competition with action-adventure(apparently its an ARPG to some people), but if you have no competition in an area, just stick to that and milk it while you can. Nintendo going into FPS genre would really be them catching up or either innovating, which will be much different than what a 3rd Party would put out. The market is just too competitive, I think, for them to join it, but not saying they wouldn't however. Metroid is still solid and seperates itself heavily from other FPS, but new IPs from Nintendo, I guess it's a wait and see what their other studios put out. We got Xenoblade Chronicles, which is a good core game, so perhaps stronger RPGs will hit the Wii U. It doesn't have to be a FPS. It could be an adventure game, hack-and-slash game, RPG, racer, etc. As long as it's something 3rd parties could make so to prove to them that they coukd have success. I'm kind of confused here then. I mean, there is Mario Kart, Zelda, Xenoblade, they've done well, which should be proof enough that 3rd parties can find success in those genres.

I meant games that 3rd parties would make, or better yet, games already similar to games like Assassin's Creed, so that 3rd parties would be more likely to port them over. I don't see many 3rd parties making Kart games or Zelda-looking games. And Xenoblade is a great example, but it wasn't successful enough to convince those stubborn 3rd parties to come over.

Also, Mario Kart & Zelda are big IPs with a legacy on Nintendo consoles. I'm talking about new IPs so that 3rd parties could be convinced that the Nintendo crowd is interested in new IPs.

Jay520 said: creampie said: 1.) they dont believe in realistic violent games, they put more enfasis in the fun factor and gameplay mechanics, they try to cater to a wider audience... 2.) also we could ask why Sony or Microsoft havent made any action rpg, plataformer adventure, arcade racer, FP adventure, RTS...etc. to prove themselves? 3.) Also if you are suggesting that core games are the realistic looking or violent themed or M rated ones, then you have no idea what you are talking about... 1.) So Nintendo would miss out on potentially bringing third-party games to their hardware, and satisfying their userbase, because of what they 'believe' in. 2.) Sony & Microsoft aren't the ones that desperately need third-party support. 3.) If you don't like that definition of 'core', then talk to 3rd parties, not me.

Not to mention that MS and Sony have made some of those genres he mentioned. Modnation, LBP, R&C, Jumping Flash way back in the day, 

This topic is fallacious. It is asking a loaded question.

Almost all Nintendo games are hardcore games. Its asking if why Nintendo didn't do something that they did with a poll that doesn't allow you say anything other than what the op wants to be true.

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lilbroex said: This topic is fallacious. It is asking a loaded question. Almost all Nintendo games are hardcore games. Its asking if why Nintendo didn't do something that they did with a poll that doesn't allow you say anything other than what the op wants to be true.

1.) Read the OP. I explained the usage of the word 'core'. There's a reason why it's in quotations. If you have a better word to use, let me know.

2.) What other poll options do you have in mind?

I don't know... I can't really see Nintendo making a violent game just for the sake of making it violent.

Jay520 said: lilbroex said: This topic is fallacious. It is asking a loaded question. Almost all Nintendo games are hardcore games. Its asking if why Nintendo didn't do something that they did with a poll that doesn't allow you say anything other than what the op wants to be true. 1.) Read the OP. I explained the usage of the word 'core'. There's a reason why it's in quotations. If you have a better word to use, let me know. 2.) What other poll options do you have in mind?

That poll itself is flawed. It is asking a  loaded questioned. There is no way to improve it.

Has the likes of games like Metroid Prime, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Distaster Days of Crisis, the Fatal Frames, Monster Hunter Tri, etc just vanished? Plenty of such games were made.

Only game in your list that wasn't a shooter is Assassin's Creed. Nintendo made better games than all of those. As I said before, you asking why didn't make things that they did make.

The title of this thread shouldn't be "why didn't Nintendo make any 'core' games". The title should be "Why didn't Nintendo make generic shooter", or "Why didn't Nintendo copy generic big name overhyped third party games."

Games like GTA, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed and so on don't even interested me because "I" am a "real" hardcore gamers. The kind that plays games that spand all genre's and art style and not because they are popular, but because they are good. A game being good should be the only requirement for a hardcore gamer to play.

pezus said: creampie said: they dont believe in realistic violent games, they put more enfasis in the fun factor and gameplay mechanics, they try to cater to a wider audience... also we could ask why Sony or Microsoft havent made any action rpg, plataformer adventure, arcade racer, FP adventure, RTS...etc. to prove themselves? Also if you are suggesting that core games are the realistic looking or violent themed or M rated ones, then you have no idea what you are talking about... Which series reaches a wider audience: Zelda or CoD? Action RPG? Demon's Souls Platformer? R&C, Sly, Banjo Arcade Racer? Motorstorm, PGR etc. FP adventure? What is this? RTS? Not fit for consoles, but Halo Wars.

Mirror's Edge could fit in the FP adv category.

oh wait NVM, Datura just came out on PSN (still need to get it)

lilbroex said: 1.) Has the likes of games like Metroid Prime, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Distaster Days of Crisis, the Fatal Frames, Monster Hunter Tri, etc just vanished? Plenty of such games were made. 2.) Only game in your list that wasn't a shooter is Assassin's Creed. Nintendo made better games than all of those. As I said before, you asking why didn't make things that they did make. 3.) The title of this thread shouldn't be "why didn't Nintendo make any 'core' games". The title should be "Why didn't Nintendo make generic shooter", or "Why didn't Nintendo copy generic big name overhyped third party games." 4.) Games like GTA, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed and so on don't even interested me because "I" am a "real" hardcore gamers. The kind that plays games that spand all genre's and art style and not because they are popular, but because they are good. A game being good should be the only requirement for a hardcore gamer to play.

1.) As I said earlier, I'm talking about games similar to the games 3rd parties make. The reason being that it will prove to 3rd parties that they have a chance at finding success on the Wii without drastically changing their development methods.

2.) The list was only examples. There's Assassin's Creed, Batman, The Elder Scrolls, Portal, ect. Regardless, shooters are still relavent as they're a large majority of 3rd parties and Nintendo wants 3rd parties.

3.) Again, I defined what I meant by 'core' in the OP. Last time I checked, the term 'core' isn't defined in any dictionary in the context of video games, so I'm not incorrect about definitions. But I understand the connotation, that comes with the word 'core', that's why I put it in quotations. And again, it's defined right there in the OP. This is the definition of 'core' that 3rd parties keep, not me..

4.) I don't care what you like or what you believe a hardcore game/gamer is. We're talking about hardcore games/gamers from the perspective of 3rd parties.