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U.S. Government Tells Court Megaupload Users Should Sue Company Over Lost Files

June 12, 2012

The United States government has a suggestion for Megaupload users that can't get their legal data from the file-sharing and storage company: sue them or the service provider for Megaupload. Basically they are saying that since they have gotten the data they wanted from the servers they seized, it's not their problem anymore.

The U.S. government's suggestions are a response to Megaupload user Kyle Goodwin, who (with the support of the EFF) filed a motion asking that the court compel parties involved in the case to find a workable solution for the return of legal user data.

One solution was offered by hosting company Carpathia, who agreed to sell Megaupload the servers containing the data for $1,000,000 earlier this year. This was blocked by U.S. authorities, who did not want to unfreeze the assets of the company or its founder Kim Dotcom. The Motion Picture Association of America also objected but last week said that users could certainly could have access to files as long as they were "legal."

Ultimately the U.S. Government is asking the court to deny the motion, saying that it does not have anyone's property.

"The government does not possess any of Mr. Goodwin’s property, nor does it seek to forfeit it," the Government wrote in court documents. "The government also does not oppose access by Kyle Goodwin to the 1103 servers previously leased by Megaupload. But access is not the issue – if it was, Mr. Goodwin could simply hire a forensic expert to retrieve what he claims is his property and reimburse Carpathia for its associated costs."

The government goes on to say that it no longer has control of the servers and that Megaupload users can access them at their leisure, but doing so would cost the average user thousands of dollars - and the government isn't going to foot the bill. The government characterizes the loss of files as unfortunate, but claims that the financial loss should not considered to be "irreparable harm."

"One reason that monetary loss does not constitute irreparable harm is that Mr. Goodwin has a legal remedy to recover any monetary losses," the government writes. "For instance, if Megaupload (by failing to maintain its leased servers with data he uploaded) or Carpathia (by terminating Megaupload’s lease and choosing not to continue to provide access to the servers) violated a term of service or other contract with Mr. Goodwin, he can sue Megaupload or Carpathia to recover his losses."

Source: TorrentFreak

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They still haven't extradited dotcom, have they? This whole case is going to unravel on the government real quick



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That is insane. So because you could either legally could obtain the files again or spend vast amounts to sue companies it is totally okay for the government to take them? Well so if the government took your car and left it in an impound lot where you had to pay thousands of dollars to get it back, that would totally be okay because you have a legal way to get it back?

I think this shows just how corrupted some governments have become. As well as how little they understand the internet. The solution to a company that offers a legal service, which some people use illegally, is not to take everything that company and the people who use it has. It is to try and find ways to stop the illegal use of it or force the company to do/attempt to do so.

I mean seriously how would the legal case of Mr. Goodwin Vs. Capathia even go?
I want reimbursement for the files I lost because of your service.
We were forced by the government to remove that service. If it was up to us you would still have your files.
Yes well even though you were forced it is still your fault?



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Zim said:
That is insane. So because you could either legally could obtain the files again or spend vast amounts to sue companies it is totally okay for the government to take them? Well so if the government took your car and left it in an impound lot where you had to pay thousands of dollars to get it back, that would totally be okay because you have a legal way to get it back?

I think this shows just how corrupted some governments have become. As well as how little they understand the internet. The solution to a company that offers a legal service, which some people use illegally, is not to take everything that company and the people who use it has. It is to try and find ways to stop the illegal use of it or force the company to do/attempt to do so.

I mean seriously how would the legal case of Mr. Goodwin Vs. Capathia even go?
I want reimbursement for the files I lost because of your service.
We were forced by the government to remove that service. If it was up to us you would still have your files.
Yes well even though you were forced it is still your fault?

the gopvernment did not take the servers.

 

The servers are still in the hands of the original owner.

 

Megaupload was leasing or renting the servers it sounds like and no longer has the money to do so since his assets are frozen.

 

So the only course of action for users would be to contact the owner of the servers or sue the company they were dealing with, megaupload.

 

The files are not lost, they just dont have access to them.

 

That is my understandning unless i read it all wrong.



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thranx said:
Zim said:
That is insane. So because you could either legally could obtain the files again or spend vast amounts to sue companies it is totally okay for the government to take them? Well so if the government took your car and left it in an impound lot where you had to pay thousands of dollars to get it back, that would totally be okay because you have a legal way to get it back?

I think this shows just how corrupted some governments have become. As well as how little they understand the internet. The solution to a company that offers a legal service, which some people use illegally, is not to take everything that company and the people who use it has. It is to try and find ways to stop the illegal use of it or force the company to do/attempt to do so.

I mean seriously how would the legal case of Mr. Goodwin Vs. Capathia even go?
I want reimbursement for the files I lost because of your service.
We were forced by the government to remove that service. If it was up to us you would still have your files.
Yes well even though you were forced it is still your fault?

the gopvernment did not take the servers.

 

The servers are still in the hands of the original owner.

 

Megaupload was leasing or renting the servers it sounds like and no longer has the money to do so since his assets are frozen.

 

So the only course of action for users would be to contact the owner of the servers or sue the company they were dealing with, megaupload.

 

The files are not lost, they just dont have access to them.

 

That is my understandning unless i read it all wrong.

So, if the government illegally freeze all your assets, making you unable to pay for your mortgage. The bank then take your properties and who would be at fault?



Galaki said:
thranx said:
Zim said:
That is insane. So because you could either legally could obtain the files again or spend vast amounts to sue companies it is totally okay for the government to take them? Well so if the government took your car and left it in an impound lot where you had to pay thousands of dollars to get it back, that would totally be okay because you have a legal way to get it back?

I think this shows just how corrupted some governments have become. As well as how little they understand the internet. The solution to a company that offers a legal service, which some people use illegally, is not to take everything that company and the people who use it has. It is to try and find ways to stop the illegal use of it or force the company to do/attempt to do so.

I mean seriously how would the legal case of Mr. Goodwin Vs. Capathia even go?
I want reimbursement for the files I lost because of your service.
We were forced by the government to remove that service. If it was up to us you would still have your files.
Yes well even though you were forced it is still your fault?

the gopvernment did not take the servers.

 

The servers are still in the hands of the original owner.

 

Megaupload was leasing or renting the servers it sounds like and no longer has the money to do so since his assets are frozen.

 

So the only course of action for users would be to contact the owner of the servers or sue the company they were dealing with, megaupload.

 

The files are not lost, they just dont have access to them.

 

That is my understandning unless i read it all wrong.

So, if the government illegally freeze all your assets, making you unable to pay for your mortgage. The bank then take your properties and who would be at fault?

they froze the owner of megauploads assets. not the people who can not gain access to their files.

 

I was not saying what they did was right or wrong, it just seemed like he had the wrong idea of how it went down. The government didn't take anyhting as far as i know. Its a case of Dotcom (is that his name?) not being able to pay to rent the servers for his business any more. Unless I am reading it wrong.



thranx said:
Galaki said:

So, if the government illegally freeze all your assets, making you unable to pay for your mortgage. The bank then take your properties and who would be at fault?

they froze the owner of megauploads assets. not the people who can not gain access to their files.

 

I was not saying what they did was right or wrong, it just seemed like he had the wrong idea of how it went down. The government didn't take anyhting as far as i know. Its a case of Dotcom (is that his name?) not being able to pay to rent the servers for his business any more. Unless I am reading it wrong.

Right they just made illegal backups lol



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