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Avinash_Tyagi on 24 April 2007
Entroper said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Lord N said:

From Capcom: The Wii gets RE4: UC, the PS3 and 360 get RE5 and DMC4

From Square: The Wii gets FF: Crystal Chronicles, the PS3 gets FFXIII

From Konami: The Wii gets Elebits, the PS3 gets MGS4

From Ubisoft: The Wii gets Prince Of Persia: Rival Swords(a remake of a game that everyone has already bought), the PS3 and 360 get Assassin's Creed, Rainbow Six: Vegas, And GRAW 2

From Rockstar: The Wii gets Manhunt 2, the PS3 and 360 gets GTAIV

I could go on and on, but I think you see where this is going. The PS3 and 360 will have the bigger titles regardless of the Wii's install base because they simply aren't possible with the latter.


So all you want is sequels and rehashes?


To be fair, sequels are better than remakes of the same games (a la RE4 and PoP).

There is a point to this, that established third-party franchises are putting their big titles on 360 and PS3.  But I would rather see new IP or games that are actually meaningfully different because of what the Wii brings to the table than those games.  Plus, Wii owners aren't as dependent on third-parties to carry the weight:

From Nintendo: Mario Galaxy, Zelda: TP, Super Paper Mario, Super Smash Bros. Brawl

From Retro: Metroid Prime 3


 The remakes are due to devs trying to capitalize on Wii's success, they were caught off guard, but the PS3 was expected to be a success, yet instead of new IPs all it gets are sequels and rehashes



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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redspear on 24 April 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Entroper said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Lord N said:

From Capcom: The Wii gets RE4: UC, the PS3 and 360 get RE5 and DMC4

From Square: The Wii gets FF: Crystal Chronicles, the PS3 gets FFXIII

From Konami: The Wii gets Elebits, the PS3 gets MGS4

From Ubisoft: The Wii gets Prince Of Persia: Rival Swords(a remake of a game that everyone has already bought), the PS3 and 360 get Assassin's Creed, Rainbow Six: Vegas, And GRAW 2

From Rockstar: The Wii gets Manhunt 2, the PS3 and 360 gets GTAIV

I could go on and on, but I think you see where this is going. The PS3 and 360 will have the bigger titles regardless of the Wii's install base because they simply aren't possible with the latter.


So all you want is sequels and rehashes?


To be fair, sequels are better than remakes of the same games (a la RE4 and PoP).

There is a point to this, that established third-party franchises are putting their big titles on 360 and PS3.  But I would rather see new IP or games that are actually meaningfully different because of what the Wii brings to the table than those games.  Plus, Wii owners aren't as dependent on third-parties to carry the weight:

From Nintendo: Mario Galaxy, Zelda: TP, Super Paper Mario, Super Smash Bros. Brawl

From Retro: Metroid Prime 3


 The remakes are due to devs trying to capitalize on Wii's success, they were caught off guard, but the PS3 was expected to be a success, yet instead of new IPs all it gets are sequels and rehashes


more or less there is much less dev time and it enables them to get games out FAST! It takes over a year for new Ips to be made from scratch.



r2007 on 24 April 2007
Munkeh said:
r2007 said:

munkeh, if you think you have to stand up to play an rpg on the wii, you really don't know what you're talking about.

so, yeah, you're not making any sense at all.


 WhatI really want is that you have to stay active all the time, and its not simply button pressing

it depend on the game. if you're talking wii tennis, yeah, it's fun to stand up and pretend you are playing tennis (that's what games are bout, no? pretending...)

but i finished zelda TP lying on my bed, and it felt great. i don't know if it's better on gamecube, i doubt it, and i think that only a few people played the game on both the consoles to be able to judge it, and event that way, it's a subjective thing to like better one or the other version but...

... what i find difficult to understand is someone who hasn't played any of the versions, being so determined to judge them. and that happens a lot on the wii: people judging it without even trying.

 



Lord N on 25 April 2007
HappySqurriel said:

 


But how many of those PS3 and XBox 360 games have been announced since E3 2006?

 It doesn't matter. They are still better titles than what the Wii is getting.

The fact is that (since the Wii and PS3 were released) the Wii has been getting a very steady stream of new game announcements, while the PS3 and XBox 360 mostly get ports from eachother or the PC announced. Certainly, up to this point in time the Wii has not dominated with third party support but (practically) every third party pubisher in the world has claimed in interviews (or in their financial statements) that they plan to devote more support to the Wii and DS in the comming year because of their popularity.

Too bad that:

-These games have received little to no hype.

-No one has heard of them.

-No one gives a shit about them.

-They will probably be ignored since more of Nintendo's first-party titles will be around by the time they are released.

 

Developers have said that they play to devote more time to the Wii than they did in relation to previous Nintendo consoles, but they never said anything about devoting the bulk of their resources to it, and definitely no the 75% that you've stated in other threads.

Regardless of whether you understand it or not, you can tell what a publisher will do by looking at the potential return on investment; this is basically true of all public companies. A platform which has dramatically lower development costs, and a dramatically larger userbase will represent a much better return on investment. Does this mean that developers will stop producing games for the PS3 or XBox 360? No, but they will have a much smaller library than the Wii (by a wide margin).

 

The Wii is not the PlayStation 2. Even if it does have an install base of 18 million by January 2008, the PS3 would have 9 million and the 360 about 15 million. That is not enough of a margin for devs to put the bulk of their focus on one platform, especially when you consider that there are things that the Wii simply can't do.

Just because it's cheaper to make a game does not automatically make that game more profitable. It doesn't cost Capcom much to make Treasure Island Z or RE4: UC whereas it cost boatloads of money to make DMC4 and RE:5, but which games do you think are going to receive more hype and be more commercially and financially successful? A game like MGS4 will probably outsell Manhunt, FF:CC, and PoP by itself.

 


 



 

Consoles owned: Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, PSP, DS, PS3

oli2 on 25 April 2007
Munkeh said:
 

True, but isnt the point of wii to make you feel like you are really doing what you are doing in the game. the point of FPS is that you cannot recreate a war in a paintball game, the point is videogaming is for you to be able to do things that you can't really do in real life

 

Another thing, isnt this thread about Wii avaliability, this should probably be on the is wii a fad thread


 Make yourself a favor : go and give it a try ...Hopefully, you will buy one, so the console will be less availble (that was to stay on topic ... ;))

 As to post on the other topic : there is no way i post in a thread named like that ...

  The point of videogaming is not to "be able to do things you can't really do in real life".

 It is to have fun !

 By the way, when i play :

- Tetris

- Raiden

- Zelda ALTP

- ...

 I do things i could not do in real life all the time i play !

 Bye.



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Munkeh on 25 April 2007
oli2 said:
Munkeh said:
 

True, but isnt the point of wii to make you feel like you are really doing what you are doing in the game. the point of FPS is that you cannot recreate a war in a paintball game, the point is videogaming is for you to be able to do things that you can't really do in real life

 

Another thing, isnt this thread about Wii avaliability, this should probably be on the is wii a fad thread


Make yourself a favor : go and give it a try ...Hopefully, you will buy one, so the console will be less availble (that was to stay on topic ... ;))

As to post on the other topic : there is no way i post in a thread named like that ...

The point of videogaming is not to "be able to do things you can't really do in real life".

It is to have fun !

By the way, when i play :

- Tetris

- Raiden

- Zelda ALTP

- ...

I do things i could not do in real life all the time i play !

Bye.


 I'm told by a friend who ows one and likes the same types of games as me that there are very few good games, although he does not like sports. Anyway, I have no interest in any of the games, not even wii sports as my two favourite sports are not represented (cricket and football). Anyway, I've just shelled out for my PS3 and games, so I'm not going to waste money to give it a try



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