That nintendo is offering it because it is a traditional controller without any motion control, touch screen, laser pointer, toaster, or camera. I was trying to say that nintendo has to offer it because a large chunk of gamers don't want all this unnecessary stuff, they just want to game unimpeded by motions or actions that can easily and more effectively be done by a button press. And because of this, nintendo has 3 completely different types of controllers you have to buy for the wiiU.

sorry if the words got sort of jumbled.

I agree with you there somewhat. I really think the main reason Nintendo are bringing it out because all these devs (that IGN surveyed) said they had no idea what to do with the tablet and multiplatform support and that any game to go on WiiU would have to be designed for WiiU only.

If all devs embraced the WiiU and we saw all these other annoucements supporting the WiiU gamepad, then I think there be no need for the classic pro.

I think this as well as the press down analoge sticks is something 3rd party suggested to Nintendo.

so because the wiiU controller isn't rendered automatically outdated by smartglass that means that it's not a gimmick? Let me ask you: why do you think nintendo keeps introducing such "odd" capabilities to their systems? Because it works. People eat that **** up like candy because it is a new feature and it's different, not because it enhances gaming. Dual screens, motion cameras, motion controls.. They are novel, sure. But they are gimmicks. People get tired of them and they are not condusive to a long term playstyle. In the end people always go back to the standard m&k or controller input because it provides freedom, whereas "gimmicks" are limited to what they can do which is less. Look no further than the Pro controller. The wiiU controller itself is fine. The functionality, however, still needs to evolve. And gimmick-o was his name-o.

If these things immerse you though, have fun with it.

There are a few things you don't understand, and I'll try to help.

Nintendo introduces these new ways of play because they believe these will add to the way games are played. For certain, their intent is for these to increase immersion.

Your PoV is esckewed by the fact that probably the delivery failed with Wii motion controls, for you.

You say that these new forms of play have short lives, in that people get tired of them. Then why do people still play games with guns at the arcades, games with seats with wheels, games with skiis and skateboards? Are these all gimmicks?? Yet people still visit the arcades to play them and have fun. True, a majority of hobbyists will not play these, but I know many people who will play DDR religiously. It's based on full body movement and is an arcade type experience. So, is that not a gimmick because people don't stop playing it? Do you know who actually plays arcade games and who doesn't?

You point just falls apart right there. People like those games and many will play them continuously at the arcades. If even such people stop playing them on the Wii, it's probably not because the idea is a bad one, but because it wasn't properly delivered, it wasn't a full solution. Something was missing.

So you see, you're seeing a problem but blaming the wrong culprit. That's because you're biased.

YES. That's why they are at the arcade and not at your house. Fun in sort bursts, and it backs up the fact that it's non-conducive to long term playing which is what I've been arguing, therefore it's a gimmick. Look at Tony Hawk's Shred for proof of that. It got horrible reviews, but it is near identical to a few skatboarding games that I've been at my local D&B and people love it there, since it is conducive to that atmosphere of short burst gratification (lol).

So stop chasing ghosts, this is not that difficult Ms. Sassy Pants.

@bold. And therefore you fail. Do you call it a gimmick when you go to the arcades.... I hope not.

I don't call it a gimmick because nobody uses the word gimmick in real life. It is something that is assumed from what you observe and experience.

Keep grasping for straws though, this is fun.

If people don't call it a gimmick in real life, is it possible that's because it isn't one? Just food for thought.